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    Assuming autism is “caused” by something and there is an “increase” of cases (not just diagnosis). Shouldn’t we start checking on Monsanto and the pesticides before anything else? Why are they obsessed with vaccines and medications?

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      Is there really an increase in autism or increase in awareness of neurodivergent/autistic people? The increase in diagnosis doesn’t necessarily mean there’s an anctual increase of cases. You can’t measure anything if you don’t look for it in the first place.

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        This is a really important point. Diagnoses go up with each revision of the DSM (at least in the US, as it’s put out by the American Psychiatric Association) because the authors are intentionally making the criteria more expansive.

        To be clear this is policy and guidance playing catch up with reality, and it still hasn’t caught all the way up.

        Be wary of anyone conflating increases in rates of diagnoses with rates of occurrence, anybody talking about changes in rates of autism diagnoses that fails to speak to this is either being disingenuous or are themselves the victims of others disingenuity.

        It’s like putting down mousetraps and then being surprised to find mice in them. The mousetraps don’t increase the number of mice (ideally they decrease them!) but they can change your perception of how many mice there are by increasing opportunities for exposure.

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        Is there really an increase in autism or increase in awareness of neurodivergent/autistic people?

        That’s exactly what the person you’re replying to meant by…

        “increase” of cases (not just diagnosis).

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          I was deeply saddened in the midst of Covid when I realized that is actually a difficult topic for people to understand. I thought people watched Sesame Street growing up, I thought they could do things like “count” or understand that different kinds of numbers mean measurements of different things.

          Nope. Most people are disconnected from anything deeper than the immediate narrative they’re fed. No matter their political affiliation or supposed values, people have just broadly turned off their capacity to reason things out.

          I had a full-on mental-health episode when I realized how bad it was. I had people in my own family who complained endlessly about having to wear masks when they went out, and immediately ripped the masks off their faces when they came inside a house or store and only wore it outdoors. I couldn’t get some people to understand what a virus is on the most abstract level.

          The lack of basic understanding how biology and other grade-school level understanding of the world works needs to be uncovered. We’re in a crisis. This level of ignorance we’ve allowed to develop will literally ruin the world. It’s already in progress.

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        Not to mention if you read how people who lived before modern medicine were described, you can guess if they were autistic or add. Not to mention the ones who were very low functioning were a secret kept at home or institutionalized.

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        The increase in diagnosis doesn’t necessarily mean there’s an anctual increase of cases.

        Everyone knows this but they are letting them re-write reality anyway. They did this with Covid, an actual lethal virus that killed over a million Americans. We may never know the actual death-count because of conservative administration efforts to decrease diagnosis numbers. And they were OPEN about this, and we didn’t march on DC then, so I don’t expect it’s going to get much better going forward.