Yah i don’t care, it’s not worth the hate. It feels pretty fucking bourgeoisie to organize around hating someone who just doesn’t live up to what you want in a creator while we have actual democracy falling across the world. Just don’t look at the comics.

If that’s not working, that means she’s living in your head and you need to figure out why.

I was an artist online for years and eventually quit because of all the drama, and you don’t escape it, if you’re not constantly, aggressively preserving your IP, it WILL get used by others for whatever they want. I can dump boatloads of stories and links to artists who had their work used by everyone from other artists who painted over their art and claimed it, all the way to major corporations just plain stealing designs and characters.

Out of all the “toxic” creators, maybe we should bandwagon against actual shitty people and shitty artists. Ya’ll have Stonetoss’s twitter and socials, why not focus some of this smarmy better-than-thou armchair art-snobbery on an actual toxic nazi? Literally, the same site here broadly, Lemmy, that has on it’s top trending posts, a “punching nazis” meme, does almost NOTHING to actually challenge real threats to our way of life when it’s as easy as a targeted social media campaign. I guess that takes scaaary organizing though.

Absolutely true, and what’s really wild is most of the left is broadly prideful of being intellectual, and so desperate to have intellectual fights that they tear each other down and find ways to nitpick their own allies into destruction. Just because they need to fight someone they can win on their own terms.

The enemy army is OVER THERE, it’s JUST RIGHT THERE! I want to shake everyone and aim all this effort to call out “problematic tones” and “cultural insensitivity” into actual action before we’re all just pawns in a techno-feudalism state, disposable as robots slowly replace even the workers, the last playing piece we had as people.

Lefty former martial-art teacher and gun owner here. I fully agree and have to argue about it a lot. This generation of lefties is completely dulled by short-attention-span self-medication and escapism and pseudo-socialization through discord and other online chats substituted for real socialization.

Whenever you talk about the need for actual organizing, forming groups, taking action, suddenly everyone has nine-hundred very special “conditions” that prevent them from doing anything. We may have co-opted the term “snowflake” from the right but it was targeted accurately at the start. Everyone thinks “someone is coming” or that there’s going to be a revolution “any day now” as if there’s some underground left-wing movement planning things and they’re just not invited. Motherfuckers you all ARE the left-wing in this country, ya’ll think the fucking democrats are gonna save you?

The left also gave up on the american flag, easily isolating itself in the public eye as an anti-american group. I hate that. I don’t get it. Yes, America has been awful and continues to be so, but if you don’t claim ownership of the goddamn land you live on, someone else is going to take it… and guess what’s happening.

This is just what it’s like to get old and grumpy. Youth is wasted on the young. I did my time organizing, I did volunteer work and phone banking for my local community and leaders, I tried. I really, really tried. I even narrowly, accidentally avoided assassination a while back but details would dox me. And I get lectured here about the ten thousand reasons why they can’t do hard things, why they have been relegated to retreating to back-water websites nobody visits having imaginary fights with imaginary nazis. Part of me is so done with humanity I feel like a lot of these kids deserve the consequence of being self-absorbed and undisciplined. But I guess I still have some lingering hope that someone will read something that makes them get off the couch.

This site, and honestly modern leftism in general, is utterly weak and in a sorry state. Lotta tender kids hiding in their discord groups talking hard about punching nazis, overthrowing the government, revolutions, etc. But if even half of them went out and organized and voted as regularly as the conservative orc army we wouldn’t need to be boarded up behind cultural firewalls.

Ya’ll desperately wish there were right-wingers and nazis on this site. The isolationism of the internet has left the entire population having arguments in the shower and imagining how thoroughly they owned their imaginary opponents.

Protip: you can ACTUALLY go outside and punch ACTUAL nazis at protests and demonstrations in towns near you! themoreyouknow.gif

Also, you’re blocked, you’re not even remotely equipped to have a real discussion if you call any of what what said here “pivoting” just keep letting herd-mentality guide you, I’m sure it will always serve you well.

If you call that “keeps pivoting” you’re really short on attention span, and maybe you need entertainment that doesn’t require you to pay attention for more than three panels. That’s probably where this cartoon lost you.

The things that never happen are happening right now but our collective attention spans have been dulled to the point that you can’t recognize the actual swing of history as it’s unfolding. Everyone just gets used to incremental changes to life so that it feels like nothing changes, because time isn’t real and your memory is malleable.

Honestly, true.

We are indeed going to face massive, catastrophic changes to society broadly.

But they will take place over such timespans that most people are just going to get used to things being shitty and the death-tolls from storms, flooding, starvation, forced-migration… it will just be more dull noise in the background for decades and decades.

The “nothing ever happens” shitheads are in the middle of things happening, but our attention-spans have been so thoroughly eroded that people don’t think anything is real unless it literally shakes them out of their bed.

But then you have more dirty dishes to stare at before the notion of personal responsibility pervades your every thought and feels so overwhelming that you retreat back to your group of equally depressed “friends” on discord who are only there to whinge about their own life problems, real or imagined, giving everyone the socialization equivalent of eating cake for dinner, hollow-carbs that feel momentarily satisfying but actually does you more harm than good.

Before it was coopted by the right to mean “child predator” or “deadly threat to everything holy” it was just a style of burlesque show, a whole niche cultural thing that never bothered anyone, open to anyone who wanted to take part.

They had problems with the fact that most performers are males or assigned male at birth, and the whole thing is basically parody of gender norms and style, but embraced rather than hated, and it was just a generally fun time. (Never mind that it’s kinda what stage performance has been like across the globe for hundreds or even thousands of years when it comes to gender-bending performances.)

Speaking as a CIS straight male, I have been to a couple shows and don’t really get it, it’s not my thing, but everyone is having fun and they’re being welcoming and happy and sharing a thing together, and it’s far more harmless than a million other silly things people do for fun as social groups.

Hopefully effort becomes cool again.

This is a succinct line about the state of things.

I talk to a lot of young men who are being pulled right towards people like Andrew Tate and his spawn, because they’re confused and angry that they can’t get dates and don’t have friends, meanwhile they don’t talk with any level of passion or pride about anything in their lives, make no effort to take care of themselves or have pride in their clothes, their presentation or their way of speaking, when they’re around other guys it’s the Sarcasm Olympics, and anyone who talks frankly about their feelings gets mocked… and then these guys will go on to scream how they deserve more from others and how they’re victims.

Oh yeah I’m being educated already about her eeeeeevil misdeeds from others here, and I also know that very artist online has had some drama about permission or IP and if that’s why they’re attacking someone who is ostensibly posting material that is broadly helpful to progressive ideology, then maybe these folks just need to get out of their echo-chambers and bubble worlds and have actual debates with actual bad people.

I literally do not care if artists have scuffles about permission or whatever, every online artist has some tangled backstory because people are shitty and being online is a fight, that said we have so many ACTUAL fucking EVIL people out there trying to do ACTUAL bad things, it feels like this site is just full of people who can’t access actual fascists and nazis so everyone piles onto the nearest “problematic ally” just because it’s easier to tear someone down than go fight a real fight.

I have a really hard time believing anyone cares about any of that or even has a source for truth. People are broadly taking cues from everyone else and enjoying hating a thing because it’s fun to hate.

Yah I love how places like Lemmy are packed to overflowing with “radical leftists” who scream murder at liberals and moderates and how broadly appealing progressive policies aren’t going far enough to address [issue X].

Guys, we’re getting literally murdered out there, figuratively and literally. If there was ever a time to start building larger coalitions, it’s now. No, you’re not getting everything you want. No, we’re not having a revolution, we don’t have the military. Yes, you will have to compromise. And if you hate that word because you think it means walking alongside someone you despise…

Tough shit.

Pick an issue, gather allies, overwhelm it, then repeat for the NEXT issue and realize nobody is coming, you may not see a better world in your lifetime, your immediate sense of resignation at this fact is manufactured. Get your shit together. Your personal problems are clouding your thinking.

They’re winning because they don’t recoil in horror at the idea of working towards mid-way goals or making deals they find distasteful, that’s how they pushed the overton window off the fucking map.

But yeah, lets continue to fuss over if our flags represent enough people and if [popular content creator] said the word “retard” once, while our administration builds camps and readies for war for funsies.

edit: just because I’m ready to soak up hate on this, you all also need to make real friends. You don’t build movements in discord, not ones that have impact at least. You are medicating your loneliness while the world burns outside. Get out and push through the discomfort of your introversion, your ADHD, your ASD, your sexual identity insecurity, your looks or your accent or WHATEVER it is that you think is keeping you from being social and building community. We lost because we’re isolated. Online groups don’t count. Don’t reply to me, go outside.

You’re all manufacturing drama around this.

“A non-offensive, easily-read thing that people broadly like isn’t refined or edgy enough for me personally, so it’s weird that it gets supported by so many people who aren’t me.”

I don’t even get it, it’s not an offensive comic, the artist has a good sense of topical humor, nothing about it is edgy by today’s standards.

I feel like it’s the exact same thing that happened with figures like Greta Thunberg, where some chud got ahead of it by doing some “cringe reaction” bullshit and since then it’s all people associate with the content because people broadly are easily swayed even by people they wouldn’t normally agree with.

No, really, everyone needs to understand this: your opinions are not your own, the more you think they are, the more likely you’ve been influenced by someone, somewhere. Whenever you see a lot of people hating on something for no real reason, it’s just mindless herd mentality.

I’m sure someone is now going to type up a reply explaining exactly why they hate it… after just now thinking about it for the first time.