• PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au
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    It’s a lot more sinister than that.

    He started with the immigrants, because there was a tenuous theory under which his personal police force was allowed to fuck them up and do whatever they want. Some little speedbumps aside, that worked out okay, no one stopped it. Now he’s talking about federalizing the police force in one particular place, and moving on to the next target, who are citizens, American people, and where there’s not even that vague theory that he’s got a right to be throwing them in detention and letting them die of the natural conditions there.

    If no one stops that, then it moves on to the next group.

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      1. Preparation

      2. Planning

      3. Execution

      4. Consolidation <== you are (already!) here

      5. Domination

      6. Extermination

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      I’d disagree on one point. The reason he started with immigrants is because on a deep level, many people - certainly most of his supporters - are somewhat racist, and are OK with immigrants getting fucked over, deported, or slaughtered.

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        That too. That’s the reason he’s now moving to homeless people. The thinking is that not many people will stand up for them. And you know what? He’s probably right.

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          They came first for the immigrants, but I did not speak up because I was not an immigrant

          Then they came for the homeless, but I did not speak up because I was housed

          Then they came for the queers, but I did not speak up because I was not queer

          Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up

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        I think even more people will try their best to stay within the in-group, and we’ll continue to see where people’s lines are, and how far they’re willing to move.

        There will always be plenty of increasingly narrow targets.

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      Idk that’ll basically be everyone the course we’re on…

      Not all our jobs are gonna make it through this mess. Many will be faced with a choice of ‘join ice or be detained.’

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        Nobody was safe in Hitler’s Germany. You could do everything right and be slandered by the guy who thought you charged him too much, and now you’re a gay, and thus eligible for Dachau.

        This is fascism.

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        Consider that the federal agencies are now demanding that state agencies provide information on all the people who receive benefits like SNAP, WIC, Housing assistance, HEAP, etc. Families who qualify for SNAP (foodstamps) also qualify for other benefits including higher ed scholarships. These are usually grant monies that the state is allowed to distribute. Now they want more info… because “waste and fraud” - why not trust the states to determine that??? so after the immigrants, they focus on the homeless… then move on to the poors.

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      If no one stops that, then it moves on to the next group.

      In his decree on July 24 2025, he made it easier to pick up and detain homeless people.

      https://www.npr.org/2025/07/24/nx-s1-5479139/trump-homelessness-executive-order-civil-commitment-camping

      It also mentions drug users and the mentally ill. They’ll be next on the list to go into the concentration camps.

      And “mentally ill” is open to interpretation. They’re already on record for saying being trans or gay is an illness.

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        Going after disabled and mentally ill people was actually the first step for the Nazis, long before anyone was talking about death camps for particular ethnicities or sexual orientations. A disabled child, in July 1939, was arguably the first person deliberately killed in an organized and “legal” fashion during what would eventually mutate and grow, and become the holocaust.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4

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          What’s scary is I’ll bet we’ve already passed the ‘first victim’ of this regime, and it will likely be decades before we can say who it was.

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            Plenty of people have died in ICE custody since this started. If you hear from people who have visited and seen the conditions, it’s pretty clear why. The camps in Germany were the same: A lot of the deaths weren’t “on purpose” but just the natural outcome of conditions so harsh that they can’t sustain the basic functions that are necessary for life.

            The camps were already running in 1939, probably some people had died “not on purpose” by then. Gerhard Kretschmar was just notable because he was the first one “on purpose.”

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        I’d also argue the wealthy are quite on board with this, as a smaller and fearful population is much easier to control and exploit. Make no mistake, Trump is a puppet for the real Lux Luthers.