• flathead@lemm.ee
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    7 months ago

    Agile is LinkedIn religious bollocks. Might as well just pray. Bunch of corporate nonsense.

    BUt YoUrE NoT DoINg it RIghT!!1!

    Should be reciting the creed in Latin, presumably.

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      7 months ago

      Every time I see a discussion of agile, there are plenty of comments about how mentally exhausting and useless/wasteful the meetings are. And the defenders can only say, “you’re doing meetings wrong!” Maybe if everyone is doing it wrong the process itself is fundamentally flawed and lends itself to misinterpretation.

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        7 months ago

        I’ve been in agile projects that worked really well and didn’t have soul-sucking, time-wasting meetings. It can be done well, it just isn’t most of the time.

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          Same, I’ve been on agile projects with quick efficient meetings most of the time. But I’m a project now with a 45 minute standup every morning for like 15 people. The lead just lets people ramble on and try to solve issues in standup. Backlog grooming and sprint plannings get equally sidetracked as well.

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            7 months ago

            One common thread between these projects was that we used actual, physical note cards to track things. They were also logged in Jira, but the standups were 5-10 people actually standing in a room tracking burn down and status with cards taped to a wall. Nobody wants to be standing for more than 15 minutes, and anything that needed a sidebar was handled with a smaller group in another impromptu meeting.

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              7 months ago

              I agree, in my experience in person stand-ups are much better than online.

              1. People don’t want to sand around and want to get back to their desk.
              2. Parking lot discussions can just be handled in the hall outside the meeting room 90% of the time and don’t require adding a new meeting to a calendar, although if there is only one issue that needs further discussion we just usually let everyone else drop call and handle it then.
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            7 months ago

            Similar, except we only budget for half an hour so as it drags on past the first or sometimes even second hour it takes over lunchtime.

            Even when people avoid trying to say anything so as not to drag it out, the mere fact that the meeting is happening means that it will manage to take up the whole block of time and then some.

            Ironically I’m starting to wonder if the solution might be MORE rather than fewer meetings, bc people need SOME time to work it all out, so if there were other more focused ones then all that could go there rather than have to take place in the only meeting it can - where it takes up the time of the entire team.

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        7 months ago

        Well, you’re supposed to refer to them as “rituals”. “Meetings” are so waterfall. No wonder it isn’t working.

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        7 months ago

        Is it really that unlikely that companies that jumped into the agile hype train do it wrong?

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        7 months ago

        Just like saying AI will solve all your problems even if you misuse. It’s just like a pattern big companies use to mask when they’re talking out of their asses.

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        6 months ago

        There aren’t any meetings that are part of Agile. The point of Agile is that you’re supposed to let teams self-organize and define their own process through iteration but managers hate that so they issue a top-down mandate to implement the Scrum process without allowing anyone outside of management to change it in any way and call it “Agile”.

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        7 months ago

        Maybe if everyone is doing it wrong the process itself is fundamentally flawed and lends itself to misinterpretation.

        Like Communism.