Yeah, let the country collapse under Trump, that’ll show them! I keep seeing this foolish argument over and over on Lemmy. Not sure if Reddit was this infested with naive and/or Russian trolls.
If Trump wins, everyone who didn’t vote for Biden shares the blame. When the situation in the Middle East gets worse, you’ll be to blame. When LGBTQ people get even more targeted in the US, you will be to blame.
Weasel out of it all you want, but come November, there’s really k lot two choices vote for Biden, or (in)directly help Trump.
I still find it incredibly rich that Democrats never have to take any blame for their bad positions. It’s not even a considerable option that they actually capitulate to the voters.
You are literally victim blaming. How on earth can you act like they need progressives and then not throw them a bone at the same time?
Because the November election is not the place for that. I’d absolutely love the Democrats to move further left. First step is to make sure the current Republican Party can never win again, then, it will either collapse, or move more center to gain back some voters. As the Republicans move left, it would allow a further move left for the Democrats.
The best place to move left is with local elections, not the general election when both party candidates are already selected.
So are you suggesting the November General Election is the time? This is what I don’t understand about these threads. They don’t seem based in reality at all. What do you think will happen if people either don’t vote, or protest vote a 3rd party candidate? Please play that scenario out for me with a Trump win and how that solves anything.
Is it the ideal time? Absolutely not. But whether it’s the November general elections, midterms or local city council, there’s always plenty of people like you popping up to say “This is not the time, this is the most important election ever!” when there’s any chance of opposition to Democratic hegemony, but when they’re on path for a comfortable win, “Oh, those policies are too extremist, they’ll be unelectable.” No matter the circumstances, Democrats always have some pretext to try and dismiss progressives and socialist, while demanding unchecked fealty in the elections from them.
If no time is ever a good time for you to listen to people, tough shit, you’re going to hear their voices when you don’t want to.
I’m just saying you should consistently vote for the candidate you prefer. That includes voting for the “far-left” (no such thing in US politics) democratic candidates when they pop up. I would also argue that it is never the time to “protest” by not voting, as that just signals that you don’t care who wins.
It’s really quite simple: It’s always the ideal time to vote for the best (least bad) candidate. It is never the ideal time to abstain from voting because you dislike both candidates, unless you legitimately don’t care who wins.
For starters, I don’t live in a swing state, so my vote is completely irrelevant. Secondly, the ball was in the Democrats’ courts to win this earlier. They threw it, they have been throwing it, and they are still throwing this election.
I fear they’ve already lost by not giving the people what they want. Again, they’re not even pretending to try to give the people what they want. What kind of selling point is “we’re not going to accomplish anything next term.”
No: Every single election where a more left-leaning choice is pitted against a less left-leaning choice is the place to do that. If enough people consistently vote for the more left-leaning choice of the two, politics is pushed to the left.
By not voting, you are saying that you don’t care which candidate wins. In this case, the choice is between a literal fascist and a more or less far-right (globally speaking) candidate. Of the two, one is clearly more left-leaning (less far-right) than the other. So you vote for that one. That’s how you make a difference.
Yeah, let the country collapse under Trump, that’ll show them! I keep seeing this foolish argument over and over on Lemmy. Not sure if Reddit was this infested with naive and/or Russian trolls.
If Trump wins, everyone who didn’t vote for Biden shares the blame. When the situation in the Middle East gets worse, you’ll be to blame. When LGBTQ people get even more targeted in the US, you will be to blame.
Weasel out of it all you want, but come November, there’s really k lot two choices vote for Biden, or (in)directly help Trump.
I still find it incredibly rich that Democrats never have to take any blame for their bad positions. It’s not even a considerable option that they actually capitulate to the voters.
You are literally victim blaming. How on earth can you act like they need progressives and then not throw them a bone at the same time?
Because the November election is not the place for that. I’d absolutely love the Democrats to move further left. First step is to make sure the current Republican Party can never win again, then, it will either collapse, or move more center to gain back some voters. As the Republicans move left, it would allow a further move left for the Democrats.
The best place to move left is with local elections, not the general election when both party candidates are already selected.
Every time progressives try to do anything, Democrats say that this is not the time and place for it seems like that goalpost keeps getting moved.
So are you suggesting the November General Election is the time? This is what I don’t understand about these threads. They don’t seem based in reality at all. What do you think will happen if people either don’t vote, or protest vote a 3rd party candidate? Please play that scenario out for me with a Trump win and how that solves anything.
It’s really hard to discern between people who are fundamentally frustrated with the system and conservative bots (in flesh or code).
In the end they’ll both lead to the same thing though, so does it really matter?
Is it the ideal time? Absolutely not. But whether it’s the November general elections, midterms or local city council, there’s always plenty of people like you popping up to say “This is not the time, this is the most important election ever!” when there’s any chance of opposition to Democratic hegemony, but when they’re on path for a comfortable win, “Oh, those policies are too extremist, they’ll be unelectable.” No matter the circumstances, Democrats always have some pretext to try and dismiss progressives and socialist, while demanding unchecked fealty in the elections from them.
If no time is ever a good time for you to listen to people, tough shit, you’re going to hear their voices when you don’t want to.
I’m just saying you should consistently vote for the candidate you prefer. That includes voting for the “far-left” (no such thing in US politics) democratic candidates when they pop up. I would also argue that it is never the time to “protest” by not voting, as that just signals that you don’t care who wins.
It’s really quite simple: It’s always the ideal time to vote for the best (least bad) candidate. It is never the ideal time to abstain from voting because you dislike both candidates, unless you legitimately don’t care who wins.
For starters, I don’t live in a swing state, so my vote is completely irrelevant. Secondly, the ball was in the Democrats’ courts to win this earlier. They threw it, they have been throwing it, and they are still throwing this election.
I fear they’ve already lost by not giving the people what they want. Again, they’re not even pretending to try to give the people what they want. What kind of selling point is “we’re not going to accomplish anything next term.”
No: Every single election where a more left-leaning choice is pitted against a less left-leaning choice is the place to do that. If enough people consistently vote for the more left-leaning choice of the two, politics is pushed to the left.
By not voting, you are saying that you don’t care which candidate wins. In this case, the choice is between a literal fascist and a more or less far-right (globally speaking) candidate. Of the two, one is clearly more left-leaning (less far-right) than the other. So you vote for that one. That’s how you make a difference.