The dude has the flag of the DDR as his profile picture. German tankies are a particularly special breed of stupid, with all that the opening of the STASI archives revealed about the horrible shit going on under Sowjet rule.
But the people understanding desinformation are spending significant amounts of free time on it, while the propagandists are getting paid and the morons just soak up the headlines and go on… so both ignore any actual argument or link to facts someone spend time one anyway.
So, no. There is easy way to deal with this that doesn’t involve heavy moderation…
I jusy went over their posts and maybe 20 percent cover Ukraine, most are jusr critical of US and most are widely accepeted western news sites ( ft, economist, independent ).
I counted his posts and he has 24 non duplicate posts. Of those 10 are critical of ukraine. The rest seem to be anti-vax or anti-us. 10/24= 41% So almost half of his posts are critical of ukraine. Also widely accepted sources doesn’t change the fact that this OP has an obvious agenda. Weird that you would try to defend him with disinformation though. Isn’t that a common authoritarian trick?
I just assume that everyone has some kind of agenda, so I don’t see real problem with it.
Can you find many accounts that equally represent pro and against war stances and reportings? I most certanly haven’t seen them, nor did I see comentes negating their stance.
I don’t have a goal to chamge yoir opinion I am commenting for other people seeing your comment so that they get differet view point and check for themselves.
I think the biggest issue is that a lot of people from US never before ventured on non-US part of the net and have problem accepting that some people have negatinve opinions on US foreign policies (which would be whole non white part of the world). And now that you are exposed to differences of opinion you react the same as for your internal politics - by seeing it as an enemy and not another human beings with different life experiences.
Trying to frame supporting the right of Ukraine to defend themselves against an illiegal invasion, genocide, torture, rape and all manner of other war crimes as “being pro-war” needs a very special kind of brain damage…
Pro-Ukraine? Sure, that’s probably includes one agenda or another. But that’s not what you said there.
As for the insult: Sorry, for that. You instantly understood that you framed self-defense as being pro-war, so I think I need to retract that suggestion of brain damage.
Instead you seem to know perfectly well what you’re saying so: Crawl back to you Russian (or Russian-paid) cave, troll. (Also: Not sorry for that, as it isn’t even an insult but just stating a fact…)
I’ve been an American a very long time. Russia doesn’t have to pay me to see that all sides use propaganda. Also, still using insults isn’t going to help someone see your point of view.
You can call me whatever you want. As long as it’s understood that geopolitics requires all sides to use propaganda. I’m not here to make friends. I’m here to learn. I’m actually a pretty forgiving guy. I just can’t tolerate bull 💩.
Geopolitics doesn’t happen in a vacuum. There were agendas before the war that led to the war. To believe differently is naive and absurd. This goes back to the fall of the Soviet Union for Russia. Russia was installing a puppet government with Yanukovych. NATO couldn’t allow that because it threatened capitalist hegemony in Europe. There will be agendas after the war. Ukraine deserves sovereignty from Russia and NATO. There’s a reason 40 countries want to join the BRICS trade alliance. The world is tired of America and NATO extracting their wealth.
It’s weird how you only post stuff critical of ukraine. One might think you have an agenda.
The dude has the flag of the DDR as his profile picture. German tankies are a particularly special breed of stupid, with all that the opening of the STASI archives revealed about the horrible shit going on under Sowjet rule.
There’s so much Kremlin and CCP disinformation on Lemmy I’ve stopped recommending it to anyone. Really a shame.
The only way to deal with it is to smother it with people who are aware of the disinformation, though.
But the people understanding desinformation are spending significant amounts of free time on it, while the propagandists are getting paid and the morons just soak up the headlines and go on… so both ignore any actual argument or link to facts someone spend time one anyway.
So, no. There is easy way to deal with this that doesn’t involve heavy moderation…
I’ve been suggesting universal defederation from the tanky instances for a few months. They’re all terrible in unique but related ways.
I think that’s absolutely the right direction.
They’re not genuine, they don’t argue in good faith, they brigade… the Fediverse won’t ever become truly meaningful in its current state.
Exactly! Speak up! I’ve been in a couple of bouts with a hexbear mob already!
News can be disinformation? Does that mean the US does it too?
I jusy went over their posts and maybe 20 percent cover Ukraine, most are jusr critical of US and most are widely accepeted western news sites ( ft, economist, independent ).
I counted his posts and he has 24 non duplicate posts. Of those 10 are critical of ukraine. The rest seem to be anti-vax or anti-us. 10/24= 41% So almost half of his posts are critical of ukraine. Also widely accepted sources doesn’t change the fact that this OP has an obvious agenda. Weird that you would try to defend him with disinformation though. Isn’t that a common authoritarian trick?
Ugh, you just had to say “anti-vax” for most people to know he’s a certified stooge or a turbo-dumbfuck.
Ooo, anti-vax too. So OP is an all around trash person.
I just assume that everyone has some kind of agenda, so I don’t see real problem with it.
Can you find many accounts that equally represent pro and against war stances and reportings? I most certanly haven’t seen them, nor did I see comentes negating their stance.
I don’t have a goal to chamge yoir opinion I am commenting for other people seeing your comment so that they get differet view point and check for themselves.
I think the biggest issue is that a lot of people from US never before ventured on non-US part of the net and have problem accepting that some people have negatinve opinions on US foreign policies (which would be whole non white part of the world). And now that you are exposed to differences of opinion you react the same as for your internal politics - by seeing it as an enemy and not another human beings with different life experiences.
Financial Times is Russian propaganda!
As if being pro-war is not an agenda. Lol
Trying to frame supporting the right of Ukraine to defend themselves against an illiegal invasion, genocide, torture, rape and all manner of other war crimes as “being pro-war” needs a very special kind of brain damage…
Does being pro-Ukraine not elicit an agenda? Also, what’s with the insult. I didn’t insult you.
Pro-Ukraine? Sure, that’s probably includes one agenda or another. But that’s not what you said there.
As for the insult: Sorry, for that. You instantly understood that you framed self-defense as being pro-war, so I think I need to retract that suggestion of brain damage.
Instead you seem to know perfectly well what you’re saying so: Crawl back to you Russian (or Russian-paid) cave, troll. (Also: Not sorry for that, as it isn’t even an insult but just stating a fact…)
I’ve been an American a very long time. Russia doesn’t have to pay me to see that all sides use propaganda. Also, still using insults isn’t going to help someone see your point of view.
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You can call me whatever you want. As long as it’s understood that geopolitics requires all sides to use propaganda. I’m not here to make friends. I’m here to learn. I’m actually a pretty forgiving guy. I just can’t tolerate bull 💩.
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Yes. Any response has an agenda. Make your fight righteous while calling the enemy evil.
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Geopolitics doesn’t happen in a vacuum. There were agendas before the war that led to the war. To believe differently is naive and absurd. This goes back to the fall of the Soviet Union for Russia. Russia was installing a puppet government with Yanukovych. NATO couldn’t allow that because it threatened capitalist hegemony in Europe. There will be agendas after the war. Ukraine deserves sovereignty from Russia and NATO. There’s a reason 40 countries want to join the BRICS trade alliance. The world is tired of America and NATO extracting their wealth.
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