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      He said he would sentence jail next time. Merchan is avoiding justification for a mistrial. It’s a good thing.

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        Yeah it bothers me so much that ppl don’t realize how the legal process works. If merchan makes any mistakes, his decision will get overturned. I want trump convicted and I want him to be unable to change that.

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          To be fair, he was supposed to put up over $400 million to prevent asset forfeiture with a hard deadline. He ended up posting bond for about a quarter of that, nearly a month after the deadline with no consequences.

          A lot of people are rightfully skeptical that he’ll never face consequences for his illegal acts.

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          Yeah it bothers me so much that ppl don’t realize how the legal process works.

          I want the legal system to work the same for Trump as it would for me. Is that so much to ask? How many times do you suppose I could defy the court before ending up with either 1) a fine that was sizable enough to actually matter to me or 2) jail time?

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            The law in NY defines how much the fines are and how long someone could be held in jail. It would be illegal for the judge to issue a fine larger than what he’s been issuing, which would give Trump a reason to go to a higher court to seek Merchan’s removal, or at the very least delay the case

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              The law in NY defines how much the fines are

              So like all fines, they are only a punishment for the poor and middle class.

              and how long someone could be held in jail.

              Sweet, how long is that, and how many times does he have to fuck up before he ends up there for contempt the way I would?

              Edit - pretty sure it’s X + 1 times, where X is always however many times he’s fucked up to date.

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                I understand you feel angry, but Merchan has been clear with Trump that jail is on the table moving forward, and I completely respect him not jumping the gun and throwing Trump in jail on a whim. By giving Trump ample opportunities to correct his behavior with warnings of jail time for future violations, he’s setting it up so Trump’s legal team will have no basis to argue Trump didn’t deserve this when they try to remove Merchan from the case or try to appeal

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                  I understand that but - is jail time not always on the table when you repeatedly ignore orders from a judge in their own courtroom? Does it need to be TEN TIMES to qualify for not jumping the gun? And do you really believe that “next time” he will get jail? (I do not.)

                  Meh.

                  2 legal systems. That’s what’s on display here. Whether there is justification or not. I don’t fault you for accepting the justification, but this is proof there is one system for the rest of us (which will chew us up and derail our lives over relatively minor infractions), and one system for folks like Trump. (who will die of old age living a 1% lifestyle without ever going to jail, IMO.)

                  My frustration is not directed at you, you are just the unfortunate recipient.

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                    is jail time not always on the table when you repeatedly ignore orders from a judge in their own courtroom?

                    Yes. That’s how NY law on this works.

                    The thing that needs to be fixed here is that the initial fine isn’t scaled to the offender’s networth.

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          Only because Trump has money for those appeals. Any other person would have been in jail already, because only the rich get a pretense of justice.

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          The infractions being cited on this second go all happened before the first hearing had happened. He’s not moving any goalposts. Infractions that happen after the first hearing do have jail as the result.

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          No, last time he stated that he could. This time he reinforced his stance against jailing a former president, but made it clear he would if another violation occurs. He’s playing it by the book.

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      These infractions came before he was fined the first time, but after the imposing of the gag order. Got to have him break the gag order after the judge says he’ll throw him in jail in order to get causality right.