Ok I’ll bite. Fully reclining my seat shouldn’t be something that’s looked down on. The person slamming their knees into the back of my seat preventing me from fully reclining should be more looked down on. The reason is that reclining doesn’t intrinsically interfere with anyone else, but pushing your knees into someone else’s seat absolutely does.
All passengers have the same and equal freedom to recline their seat if they choose, except for the people in the emergency exit rows of course. It’s part of what you’re paying for when you buy the ticket. If that interferes with the knees of the person behind me that’s not my problem. The designers of the seats should ensure that fully reclining the seat doesn’t reduce knee room for the person behind me. The airline constructed this scenario all by themselves and if there’s a problem with it they should solve it themselves. I shouldn’t be asked to sacrifice my comfort on a flight I paid for (just like everyone else did) because they failed to do that.
If we’re really insistent that this is somehow not 100% the airline’s problem, I’d next argue that if you don’t have enough knee room in a regular seat with the person in front of you fully reclined, then you’re literally too big for that seat. You should buy a “comfort plus” ticket. The airline should force you to do so.
I’m 6’5". I’d love to hear your suggestions for what I should do with my legs when you recline your seat. Do you think I can just take them off? Am I supposed to sit sideways with my legs in the lap of the person next to me? Am I supposed to do Yoga for a year before I get on a plane, so I can spread my knees out 180 degrees from each other and you can lay your head on my dick?
I’m not “slamming my knees into the back of your seat”. They simply exist where you’re trying to be, and the fundamental properties of matter are causing them to collide. You can be as pissed about your comfort as you want to be, but it’s not going to change my knees into ethereal ghost knees so your seat can lean back.
People of all sizes are entitled to use the facilities they paid for equally. The airline should provide a solution for you, not the other passengers. You should patronize airlines that fulfill your needs and not patronize the ones that don’t.
I actually like the ultra low cost carriers that have solved this by simply not allowing the seats to be reclined.
Probably best you instead get seats with more leg room rather than blaming it on people leaning their seats back. Just like larger people should be buying two seats per airline rules, it’s just easier to either get an exit row seat or pay extra for a row with more room.
there is a difference between something being the airlines responsibility, and you still having some form of etiquette and thought for others when said airline wont fix the issue.
just because it shouldn’t be your problem doesn’t mean it isn’t. absolute individualism is a curse
If we acquiesce and make up for the airline’s failures by taking matters into our own hands, that just enables the airline to continue to not fix the issue. It’s the same thing as tipping at restaurants. We have to tip because the staff don’t get paid enough otherwise. The restaurant is passing off their shortcomings to the customers. The system only works because we agree to participate in it.
“but what about MY comfort” says the insufferable assholes who make everyone less comfortable by reclining on a plane. Like they’re the only ones uncomfortable on a plane and they’re the only ones smart enough to figure it out.
No, you aren’t the smart one who figured it out and everyone else are NPCs, you aren’t the main character, you’re the asshole of the story.
So the seat is there and it can be reclined but I’m not allowed to recline it because… courtesy? What if there just happens to be nobody sitting behind me? Should I still not recline as a gesture of solidarity to the people who feel social pressure not to recline?
The airline is at fault if we’re going through these mental calculations. Every passenger should feel free and unencumbered to use 100% of the facilities on the plane they paid for. The airline should ensure it. They’ve failed to keep their passengers comfortable if they don’t. The blame for that shouldn’t be passed to other passengers.
Yes, airlines literally have failed to keep customers comfortable, that’s the entire point. Zero people are comfortable on that flight, and everyone knows that when someone reclines back into them it becomes even less comfortable. You aren’t making your experience better, you’re making someone else’s worse. The airline failed by making seats uncomfortable, and you’re making a bad situation worse for the person behind you.
Just because you can do things does not mean that you aren’t an asshole for doing those things. You’re allowed to block aisles in a grocery store, to go slower than the speed limit, to buy the last two packages of cookies when you know the person next to you also wants one, you’re allowed to do lot’s of things in life. It doesn’t mean you’re not an asshole for doing it. (In fact the entitled attitude you have without a care for anyone else kinda really drives home that you are)
Enjoy getting kicked repeatedly then. If you don’t like it it’s not the person kicking you who is responsible you can talk to the airline if you don’t like it.
Actually you’re right, it’s that person’s prerogative to try to make themselves as comfortable as possible with the resources they’ve been given. They shouldn’t care about my comfort just as I do not care about theirs.
Unless it’s 9pm on an overnight flight you shouldn’t be reclining you seat.
Anyone reclining their seat to take a nap on a 2-3 hour flight is a dick, because the nap is not necessary. It’s just preventing the person behind from being able to use the table tray or read or watch their movie or work on their project in their laptop because their already limited space becomes unusable.
It also does absolutely jack shit in terms of comfort or sleep. People are obsessed with their half centimeter of recline for the same reason they are obsessed with cutting through side streets to avoid a single stoplight - because it is a petulant display of pointless sovereignty for miserable henpecked assholes.
You clearly don’t have many health problems. Not reclining the seat makes my arthritis flare up so bad I can barely walk, due to many airlines making their seats pretty much vertical. And if it didn’t make things more comfortable then why in the world would people even bother leaning their seats back at all? Have you ever considered maybe you’re the outlier here?
Ok I’ll bite. Blocking the whole aisle at the grocery store shouldn’t be something that’s looked down on. The person rudely interrupting my conversation should be more looked down on. The reason is that having a conversation doesn’t intrinsically interfere with anyone else, but interrupting us and walking in front of us absolutely does.
All shoppers have the same and equal freedom to have a conversation if they choose, except for the people without friends of course. If that interferes with the shopping of the person trying to get by me that’s not my problem. The designers of the grocery stores should ensure that the aisles are wider so they can get by me. The grocery store constructed this scenario all by themselves and if there’s a problem with it they should solve it themselves. I shouldn’t be asked to sacrifice my conversation when I’m buying groceries (just like everyone else) because they failed to do that.
If we’re really insistent that this is somehow not 100% the grocery store’s problem, I’d next argue that if you don’t have enough room to get by in a regular row, then you’re literally too big for that store. You should go fuck yourself. The grocery should force you to do so.
Ok I’ll bite. Fully reclining my seat shouldn’t be something that’s looked down on. The person slamming their knees into the back of my seat preventing me from fully reclining should be more looked down on. The reason is that reclining doesn’t intrinsically interfere with anyone else, but pushing your knees into someone else’s seat absolutely does.
All passengers have the same and equal freedom to recline their seat if they choose, except for the people in the emergency exit rows of course. It’s part of what you’re paying for when you buy the ticket. If that interferes with the knees of the person behind me that’s not my problem. The designers of the seats should ensure that fully reclining the seat doesn’t reduce knee room for the person behind me. The airline constructed this scenario all by themselves and if there’s a problem with it they should solve it themselves. I shouldn’t be asked to sacrifice my comfort on a flight I paid for (just like everyone else did) because they failed to do that.
If we’re really insistent that this is somehow not 100% the airline’s problem, I’d next argue that if you don’t have enough knee room in a regular seat with the person in front of you fully reclined, then you’re literally too big for that seat. You should buy a “comfort plus” ticket. The airline should force you to do so.
I’m 6’5". I’d love to hear your suggestions for what I should do with my legs when you recline your seat. Do you think I can just take them off? Am I supposed to sit sideways with my legs in the lap of the person next to me? Am I supposed to do Yoga for a year before I get on a plane, so I can spread my knees out 180 degrees from each other and you can lay your head on my dick?
I’m not “slamming my knees into the back of your seat”. They simply exist where you’re trying to be, and the fundamental properties of matter are causing them to collide. You can be as pissed about your comfort as you want to be, but it’s not going to change my knees into ethereal ghost knees so your seat can lean back.
Recline yourself. It’s literally the only solution. Once one person reclines, everyone has to.
Until it gets to the fat person at least
Why would a fat person be unable to recline?
Recline yourself. It’s literally the only solution. Once one person reclines, everyone has to.
People of all sizes are entitled to use the facilities they paid for equally. The airline should provide a solution for you, not the other passengers. You should patronize airlines that fulfill your needs and not patronize the ones that don’t. I actually like the ultra low cost carriers that have solved this by simply not allowing the seats to be reclined.
Probably best you instead get seats with more leg room rather than blaming it on people leaning their seats back. Just like larger people should be buying two seats per airline rules, it’s just easier to either get an exit row seat or pay extra for a row with more room.
there is a difference between something being the airlines responsibility, and you still having some form of etiquette and thought for others when said airline wont fix the issue.
just because it shouldn’t be your problem doesn’t mean it isn’t. absolute individualism is a curse
If we acquiesce and make up for the airline’s failures by taking matters into our own hands, that just enables the airline to continue to not fix the issue. It’s the same thing as tipping at restaurants. We have to tip because the staff don’t get paid enough otherwise. The restaurant is passing off their shortcomings to the customers. The system only works because we agree to participate in it.
“but what about MY comfort” says the insufferable assholes who make everyone less comfortable by reclining on a plane. Like they’re the only ones uncomfortable on a plane and they’re the only ones smart enough to figure it out.
No, you aren’t the smart one who figured it out and everyone else are NPCs, you aren’t the main character, you’re the asshole of the story.
Depending on how tired I am I might just recline and let you be mad while I get a nice couple hours sleep in
Seems like you know what you are then and how your actions are seen by so there’s no point in continuing here.
So the seat is there and it can be reclined but I’m not allowed to recline it because… courtesy? What if there just happens to be nobody sitting behind me? Should I still not recline as a gesture of solidarity to the people who feel social pressure not to recline? The airline is at fault if we’re going through these mental calculations. Every passenger should feel free and unencumbered to use 100% of the facilities on the plane they paid for. The airline should ensure it. They’ve failed to keep their passengers comfortable if they don’t. The blame for that shouldn’t be passed to other passengers.
Yes, airlines literally have failed to keep customers comfortable, that’s the entire point. Zero people are comfortable on that flight, and everyone knows that when someone reclines back into them it becomes even less comfortable. You aren’t making your experience better, you’re making someone else’s worse. The airline failed by making seats uncomfortable, and you’re making a bad situation worse for the person behind you.
Just because you can do things does not mean that you aren’t an asshole for doing those things. You’re allowed to block aisles in a grocery store, to go slower than the speed limit, to buy the last two packages of cookies when you know the person next to you also wants one, you’re allowed to do lot’s of things in life. It doesn’t mean you’re not an asshole for doing it. (In fact the entitled attitude you have without a care for anyone else kinda really drives home that you are)
If no one is behind you then recline away.
Reclining certainly does make my experience better.
I refuse to accept responsibility for the consequences of a scenario that I didn’t create.
Ideally the airline should simply make it so that the seats can’t recline.
Enjoy getting kicked repeatedly then. If you don’t like it it’s not the person kicking you who is responsible you can talk to the airline if you don’t like it.
Actually you’re right, it’s that person’s prerogative to try to make themselves as comfortable as possible with the resources they’ve been given. They shouldn’t care about my comfort just as I do not care about theirs.
I suppose it’s commendable that you are sticking to your guns, but holy shit I would hate to meet you in real life
I think I’m a pretty normal person. Unremarkable.
Unless it’s 9pm on an overnight flight you shouldn’t be reclining you seat.
Anyone reclining their seat to take a nap on a 2-3 hour flight is a dick, because the nap is not necessary. It’s just preventing the person behind from being able to use the table tray or read or watch their movie or work on their project in their laptop because their already limited space becomes unusable.
It also does absolutely jack shit in terms of comfort or sleep. People are obsessed with their half centimeter of recline for the same reason they are obsessed with cutting through side streets to avoid a single stoplight - because it is a petulant display of pointless sovereignty for miserable henpecked assholes.
You clearly don’t have many health problems. Not reclining the seat makes my arthritis flare up so bad I can barely walk, due to many airlines making their seats pretty much vertical. And if it didn’t make things more comfortable then why in the world would people even bother leaning their seats back at all? Have you ever considered maybe you’re the outlier here?
Just try to communicate with the person behind you if they’re okay with you reclining… Usually it’s no big deal on long flights .
Unfortunate to see the entitled assholes made the trip over from Reddit. I paid for the amount of space I have.
I’ll go one step further.
it’s nice to talk to your friends when you see them out and about
even if you have children
I am ready for my downvotes now
That’s fine just have some sense of spatial awareness and move to one side of the fucking aisle
Counterpoint: the constant risk of seeing people I know every time I leave the house is why I developed an anxiety disorder living in a small town.
Move aside
But how will we stay outraged if people are allowed to talk?
It’s not the talking that’s the problem, it’s the flagrant disregard for being in other peoples’ way. Move to the side of the damn aisle.
Ok I’ll bite. Blocking the whole aisle at the grocery store shouldn’t be something that’s looked down on. The person rudely interrupting my conversation should be more looked down on. The reason is that having a conversation doesn’t intrinsically interfere with anyone else, but interrupting us and walking in front of us absolutely does.
All shoppers have the same and equal freedom to have a conversation if they choose, except for the people without friends of course. If that interferes with the shopping of the person trying to get by me that’s not my problem. The designers of the grocery stores should ensure that the aisles are wider so they can get by me. The grocery store constructed this scenario all by themselves and if there’s a problem with it they should solve it themselves. I shouldn’t be asked to sacrifice my conversation when I’m buying groceries (just like everyone else) because they failed to do that.
If we’re really insistent that this is somehow not 100% the grocery store’s problem, I’d next argue that if you don’t have enough room to get by in a regular row, then you’re literally too big for that store. You should go fuck yourself. The grocery should force you to do so.
I 100% agree with you.