Nah, she’s a bitch. You’re free not to use that word, I’m free to use it, c’est la vie. Unless you’d have preferred I call her a cunt, because I’d be happy to oblige.
That’s fair. The way I see it, dick, bitch, cunt, asshole, cock etc all mean the same thing. You’re effectively calling someone a jerk. Getting nitpicky over which is ok - and which isn’t - is a waste of energy in my book. Just because somebody else uses the word more virulently doesn’t somehow mean everyone who calls someone a bitch is evil. Part of language is intent and context. If I called a woman a bitch because she was intense or intimidating, that’d be out of line. If I call someone a bitch because they write stupid shit like this and run an account like that, I feel like I’m doing alright.
You raise valid points, and context definitely matters, but I think when it comes to language it should be decided by the consensus within the minority it was originally used to describe.
For example, most of the disabled community agrees “r-tard” is offensive these days, so it’s use has gone down. Just like “gay” before it. And white folks still argue the n-word should be fine for everyone to use if they end it with an a.
I’m not saying minorities can’t reclaim words, and language definitely changes with time. But most women I interact with get uncomfortable when men around them say “bitch” routinely.
Words exist in context. If I called my female boss a bitch because I perceived her as domineering or demanding, that’d be out of line. If I call someone a dumb bitch for running one of the most toxic accounts on social media posting nonsensical disinformation, that’s very different. While I understand that being called a bitch can be very hurtful, I’m not calling you one, I’m calling someone else one, so being offended on their behalf is silly. I’m not gonna censor myself because someone might have a negative association with a word. And before someone says “I’ve heard the same logic applied to the n word” cool well I’m not applying it to the n word, I already don’t say that so I don’t need to censor myself.
Just take the bitch part away and substitute it for something else like retard or the nword and think for a second how the usage of this word can still affect the broader demographic
You are missing the fact that using bitch negativrly affects all women just as the nword would negatively effect all poc. I told you to swap the word not to point out that they are the same as i said but to try to explain this simple fact. Using genderd derogetory language hurts that gender group(mainly women) just the same as using racltiolized derogetory language hurts the race it aimed at(mainly poc) i really dont think this is that hard to get :)
Can you think of any way at all how using a gender based slur might be harmfull to te gender it is reffering to even if its used against the oposit gender
If you’re really gonna try and act like bitch and the n word exist on the same plane of cruelty and offensiveness you’re just being flatly disingenuous.
Many people refuse to acknowledge the nuance of language development. Especially when mixed with what is socially acceptable. Because that’d mean conceding they could be hurting people.
I’ll join you in the downvotes. You may be oversimplifying a bit too, but I see where you’re coming from.
Yeah I mean I’m not saying it’s the same level I’m just saying I’ve heard the same logic. “Just because I say [n-word] doesn’t mean I hate black people, I only hate the ones that act like [n-words].” You’ll hear the same justification for just about any slur whenever anyone challenges it. “Nothing against people with mental disabilities, I just hate people who act like r-----ds.” “Nothing against queer people, I just hate the ones who act like f----ts.” Anyone who recognizes that it doesn’t hold up in those cases should understand that it doesn’t hold up here.
But they have no answer to that, so all they can do is act like I’m equating the two, when in fact the whole point is to use a more extreme example to more clearly demonstrate the problem.
I totally agree, except the final paragraph. I think the source of the communication issue is a combination of perceived tone in your initial comment and the sensitivity of the subject. Not to fully blame either. So I don’t think people are being belligerent or willfully ignorant.
Conversations like these are a minefield, so don’t take it personally if you stumble. And remember why the minefield is there in the first place. Sometimes you just gotta back out, or set off more mines you meant to disarm.
Metaphor got a bit lost, but I think you get the point.
Nah, she’s a bitch. You’re free not to use that word, I’m free to use it, c’est la vie. Unless you’d have preferred I call her a cunt, because I’d be happy to oblige.
Anyone can be a cunt. I actually would prefer that. A cunts a cunt, everyone knows one.
Bitch is what some knuckedragger yells at a woman when she rejects him again
That’s fair. The way I see it, dick, bitch, cunt, asshole, cock etc all mean the same thing. You’re effectively calling someone a jerk. Getting nitpicky over which is ok - and which isn’t - is a waste of energy in my book. Just because somebody else uses the word more virulently doesn’t somehow mean everyone who calls someone a bitch is evil. Part of language is intent and context. If I called a woman a bitch because she was intense or intimidating, that’d be out of line. If I call someone a bitch because they write stupid shit like this and run an account like that, I feel like I’m doing alright.
You raise valid points, and context definitely matters, but I think when it comes to language it should be decided by the consensus within the minority it was originally used to describe.
For example, most of the disabled community agrees “r-tard” is offensive these days, so it’s use has gone down. Just like “gay” before it. And white folks still argue the n-word should be fine for everyone to use if they end it with an a.
I’m not saying minorities can’t reclaim words, and language definitely changes with time. But most women I interact with get uncomfortable when men around them say “bitch” routinely.
I call men bitches daily.
Its a realy sexist word you can hate her all you want but this kinda language affects all women :(
Words exist in context. If I called my female boss a bitch because I perceived her as domineering or demanding, that’d be out of line. If I call someone a dumb bitch for running one of the most toxic accounts on social media posting nonsensical disinformation, that’s very different. While I understand that being called a bitch can be very hurtful, I’m not calling you one, I’m calling someone else one, so being offended on their behalf is silly. I’m not gonna censor myself because someone might have a negative association with a word. And before someone says “I’ve heard the same logic applied to the n word” cool well I’m not applying it to the n word, I already don’t say that so I don’t need to censor myself.
Just take the bitch part away and substitute it for something else like retard or the nword and think for a second how the usage of this word can still affect the broader demographic
Bruh. Are you really gonna act like bitch is on the same level of offensiveness as the n word? You’re either being retarded or disingenuous.
Did i say bitch is on the same lvl as the nword? Please read my comment again and just try to make sense of it :)
“just take bitch out and substitute it with the N word”
The fuck am I missing? You’re directly comparing the use of the word bitch to the use of the n word. Go to therapy.
You are missing the fact that using bitch negativrly affects all women just as the nword would negatively effect all poc. I told you to swap the word not to point out that they are the same as i said but to try to explain this simple fact. Using genderd derogetory language hurts that gender group(mainly women) just the same as using racltiolized derogetory language hurts the race it aimed at(mainly poc) i really dont think this is that hard to get :)
Etymologically speaking bitch refers only to women, but in modern usage the pejorative is used for both genders
It’s pejorative for men because it implies you are a woman, you fuckwit
What’s next, are you going to say “pussy” is unacceptable for the same reason!?!?
jk I know you and wezzzy are right.
Not the women who aren’t bitches, since it’s not directed at them.
Can you think of any way at all how using a gender based slur might be harmfull to te gender it is reffering to even if its used against the oposit gender
I’ve seen people use that exact justification for the n-word.
If you’re really gonna try and act like bitch and the n word exist on the same plane of cruelty and offensiveness you’re just being flatly disingenuous.
Cool, good thing I’m not then.
Many people refuse to acknowledge the nuance of language development. Especially when mixed with what is socially acceptable. Because that’d mean conceding they could be hurting people.
I’ll join you in the downvotes. You may be oversimplifying a bit too, but I see where you’re coming from.
Yeah I mean I’m not saying it’s the same level I’m just saying I’ve heard the same logic. “Just because I say [n-word] doesn’t mean I hate black people, I only hate the ones that act like [n-words].” You’ll hear the same justification for just about any slur whenever anyone challenges it. “Nothing against people with mental disabilities, I just hate people who act like r-----ds.” “Nothing against queer people, I just hate the ones who act like f----ts.” Anyone who recognizes that it doesn’t hold up in those cases should understand that it doesn’t hold up here.
But they have no answer to that, so all they can do is act like I’m equating the two, when in fact the whole point is to use a more extreme example to more clearly demonstrate the problem.
I totally agree, except the final paragraph. I think the source of the communication issue is a combination of perceived tone in your initial comment and the sensitivity of the subject. Not to fully blame either. So I don’t think people are being belligerent or willfully ignorant.
Conversations like these are a minefield, so don’t take it personally if you stumble. And remember why the minefield is there in the first place. Sometimes you just gotta back out, or set off more mines you meant to disarm.
Metaphor got a bit lost, but I think you get the point.