Trying to combat drug addiction through policing has been proven ineffective time and time again. You may want to rethink that one.
Came to say this! Drug addicts need help, not jail. Sure, if they commit a crime police should be involved, but it’s not going to cure their addiction!
Idk. I’m a public bus driver, am in pretty consistent contact with drug users. Not to mention living in amongst them in the poorer areas of tow. I’m not saying we should arrest them and give them lengthy sentences, but just leaving them on the street ain’t working out.
I think a mandatory “time out” in a facility is in order. At least long enough to work the drugs out of their system. Maybe then they can try for a better way with a little clearer head.
But some days it feels like I’m living in a post apocalypse mad Max type place. It’s bullshit that they’re allowed to just trash anyplace they are. There’s what’s best for them, and there’s what’s best for the rest of us. There’s gotta be something done.
Their “mandatory time out” doesn’t have to be punitive, or handled by the penal system at all.
Step one: outreach and detox
A social worker could show up and interview them, ask them if they want help. If they do, great. Get them in a car, take them to a detox center. If someone doesn’t want to go with the social worker (which might be a majority of patients), then the social worker gets their name and contact info if they can, gives them some brochures about the program and about the benefits of recovery, and moves on to interview others.about non-compliant/unwilling patients:
That’s just the first pass. Another social worker comes by on another day and sees if anyone changed their mind, and if so, great, they take them to the detox center.
Eventually though, something will need to be done about those who are unwilling to go; for their own benefit as much as anyone else’s. This should not be done by police though. There needs to be a special task force of social workers who are trained in self-defense, weapons handling, de-escalation, non-compliance, and least-necessary-force techniques.
Basically, they show up sometime after the second or third pass and sweep up anyone who wasn’t willing to go. They take them to a special detox facility, still a comfortable and professional clinic, but with higher security in place, so that these patients won’t present problems for the ones who went willingly.
If they detox successfully and their behavior improves significantly, they can be given an option to move to the next step with the others. If they remain belligerent or hostile, however, they need to be taken to a special higher-security version of it where they won’t be a barrier to others’ recovery. (Again, a clean and professional facility, but the staff have more specialized training for dealing with non-compliant patients).
Step two: residential recovery
After they detox, transfer them to a residential recovery program with a structured regiment, complete with in-house psychosocial therapy, prescription management, and recreational therapy.Step three: vocational therapy
When they graduate from this program, get them into vocational therapy or a job training program, with the option to either live on their own (if their recovery has progressed well enough), or have them move into a smaller share house with a peer recovery coach.That’s a three-step approach:
(outreach)→detox→recovery→reintegration.
By the end of it they’ll be an active contributing member of society, have community support, hobbies, be enrolled in therapy, have their prescriptions managed, and have someone to check in on them periodically to help them maintain the good habits they’ve developed.
Step four: return to full independence
After maybe a year in the transitional housing then they get support searching for their own place and return to full independence with a year of sobriety under their belt, but they keep access to the same therapists, recreational groups, prescription management, and can keep in touch with their peer recovery coach.It sounds expensive, and it does require a lot of real estate, personnel, trained professionals, food and healthcare, etc. But with how much we already spend on police and prisons, it might actually save the taxpayers money in the end. Especially with universal healthcare; this would be harder to implement in the US where prescriptions can cost over $1000 per month for no reason, but universalizing healthcare first will make it more feasible.
Doing drugs is a crime tho.
This guy reminds teachers they forgot to give out homework…
I mean if you want to get specific what I really want is to remind police that doing drugs is illegal and they should focus on busting those people…instead of kids having fun on scooters
Why is doing drugs illegal?
In the US it’s so they can give black people felonies for being black so they can’t vote.
That’s literally what started the war on drugs. Well, blacks and hippies.
This is also why alcohol, which is a way more harmful drug to others than all of the illegal drugs[1], is legal.
[1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21036393/
Findings: MCDA modelling showed that heroin, crack cocaine, and metamfetamine were the most harmful drugs to individuals (part scores 34, 37, and 32, respectively), whereas alcohol, heroin, and crack cocaine were the most harmful to others (46, 21, and 17, respectively). Overall, alcohol was the most harmful drug (overall harm score 72), with heroin (55) and crack cocaine (54) in second and third places.
Because they won’t share with me :(
Because of the law
“Drugs are illegal because drugs are illegal”
It seems you’re stuck on Step 4 in Kohlberg’s Stages of Moral Development:
Do you mind me asking how old you are?
edit: never mind it says it in the meme you created.
Kids having fun on scooters doing illegal things.
One is a felony the other a misdemeanor
Fun fact: Vancouver is in Canada, and in Canada there’s no such thing as a felony or a misdemeanor.
riding scooter at 12 seems to be illegal too in vancouver, and people have fun on drugs too, so seems to me both things are pretty much interchangeable in your argument
Busting drug addicts will do ZERO to help the drug and crime problems. Even law enforcers will tell you that.
Those problems are so much more complex, and require fundamental reforms in social policies, mental healthcare, education, youth programmes, city planning etc. And then there’s the issue of dealing with the gangs, smugglers and foreign organized syndicates bringing the stuff into the country.
Kids driving recklessly on scooters (which are often modified) are:
A) A danger to themselves
B) A danger to pedestrians they could crash into
C) A serious danger to cars that swerve to avoid them when they go out on the main road.
Being this stupid should be illegal.
So was giving shelter to undesirables in Nazi Germany. Laws are not inherently moral.
So is what the kids are doing. So…?
No is not
The temporary decriminalization of doing drugs in British Columbia expired in January 2026
So doing illicit drugs like crack or fentanyl on the streets is currently illegal again.
Again i said NO IS NOT
Putting someone in timeout maybe works for three year olds but it doesn’t work for adults even if you hold them there 1000 times longer. Restitution and rehabilitation is a significantly more effective solution and results in much lower recidivism. Only reason to lock someone in a box is if they present a significant danger to the public, and that’s not to punish them, but to protect others.
Also the cops handing out traffic tickets, and the cops doing narcotics investigations are different people.
This isn’t new either. A song was written about it 25 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4L20t8Dvlg
love me some oldschool SOAD songs
I read it as they are both bad things the police enjoys, but seeing OPs comments I don’t think that was the intent.
If you arrest the users they’ll give up the dealers
That’s policing 101
That’s copaganda 101
FTFY
Treat it like the public health issue it is, not something to involve the judicial/carceral systems
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Arresting drug addicts in the war on drugs is part of how the US ended up with 25% of the world’s prison population. End result? Same amount of drugs.
Criminalizing drug use does literally nothing except lead to the death of democracy.
Your percentage is off.
Recent sources put US prison population at ~2 million, with about that much under other supervision conditions.
US population is at ~342.75 million people.
Good call, got some wires crossed. The US contributes to 25% of the entire global prison population
And is ineffective. Didn’t you watch The Wire?
No I watched breaking bad
They went after the one drug user (badger) and eventually it led all the way up to the Heisenberg guy
dumbest comments I’ve seen all day are all from you
I’ve had this user tagged as “anti-science troll” for ages.
Last time was from just a comment chain under a post but it was just as bad as this whole thing.
I was just thinking the same thing.
The farther down this thread I go the dumber they get
I’m just amazed how many people are on the side of the drug addicts
It’s almost like drug addicts are still people who deserve to be treated like people. Throwing them in jail and subjecting them to police brutality does not help anyone except the fake numbers game of the police. If you really want to help people with addictions you have to be willing to work with them and treat the problems at the source rather than resort to punitive measures for no reasons.
I’m amazed there is still people that think prohibition works.
addicts need help not prison
Do you not remember his name?
Say my name
Mr. White?
SCIENCE! YEAH!
Ya Heisenberg
That widely known to not work that way.
Ok bootlicker
No no no. This is just building a prison pipeline.
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You get people off drugs by building a society where people aren’t being oppressed and used as slaves. Not by putting them in jail and making their life worse.
Kids on the other hand aren’t fully mature and don’t realize that ‘just’ 30mph on a scooter can lead to a deadly crash pretty easily
Teach the kids to use a scooter properly, all across asia children ride electrics without incident, but I am constantly hearing how dangerous they are back in America where barely anyone rides scooters.
Is that how Singapore got rid of their drug problems?
Yeah, when I think Singapore, I think utopia with no inequality or social pressures. The only thing bad is those pesky druggies that do simply because they’re bad people and want to do the bad drugs.
Probably by caning them to death when they spit their gum on the ground.
Both are stupid.
Thats what makes this an A tier shitpost.
I’m willing to concede I have it wrong but I wouldn’t take it seriously. Just Karmanopoly goofing around with quality bait.
Indeed, very good stuff. Make my blood boil.
I mean, they shouldn’t be going after drug addicts either.
All research and successful drug policy shows that treatment should be increased And law enforcement decreased while abolishing mandatory minimum sentences
Dont fight drug use, fight drug distribution and the root problems why people are on the street taking drugs
Follow the money
Drug use is a social problem. If I offered you a huge bag of fentanyl for free right now, would you take it? What conditions in your life would make you more likely to accept it? Lets address the things which cause those conditions for other people.
It sure is a problem but not in any way can it be solved by the police.
Well, it depends. Do I have to pay for the fentanyl? Because if not, Imma take that bag of drugs to the hospital so they can dispose of it in a safe manner.
If you have a bag of fentanyl to give out then putting you in jail solves the problem in my view
You missed the point of the question entirely. Are you just playing dumb here?
OP, did a cop give you a ticket for riding a scooter?
No they gave a 12 yr old a ticket… Well actually hey gave it to his father
Maybe they shouldn’t have been doing something illegal. 🤔
Maybe unjust laws shouldn’t be obeyed
If only you had the brain capacity to notice your own hypocrisy…
Lol I am shocked. Yall believe he is for real? Guy is troll
There is no justice in punishing people who’ve become addicted, and are just using to satisfy the addiction.
You know who becomes addicted? The kid who runs/drives/rides in front of a car and ends up on major pain meds. Maybe ticketing parents who let their kids do that, without regard for the evidence of its dangers is a good idea after all.
Tell that to the kid in my city who got run over by a semi truck a couple of weeks ago or the dozens per week who are admitted to the ER with scooter and ebike injuries.
Exactly. Not sure you’ll put 2 and two together, tho.
first good point you’ve made anywhere in your own post’s comments.
Well, sorry they gave your dad a ticket
Love the username.
We are Alpharius
So … your classmate?
Remember that time we legalized cannabis and it had literally zero impact on society? Let’s do that with the rest of them too.
Drug problem is a healthcare issue, not a crime issue.
Well if they would fix traffic infrastructure to support bicycles and other alternative transports they would have less of a problem with this.
Scooters aren’t inherently more dangerous. But people don’t take their safety seriously. They don’t wear helmets and protection. Resulting in more injuries and TBIs.
Why would they give 12y old tickets? Don’t they have any newer ones?
They don’t update the forms often. Huge issue with the printer.
Counterpoint: parents should be given tickets for endangering their child’s lives by giving them something that can cause death or greivous injury - calling it a “toy” that goes 30+ mph ridden on public roads with no training, license, or obeying traffic signs and signals.
One of these days it’s going to be a lawmakers kid that is going to get turned into a meat crayon. Then we might just get some reasonable legislation. I hate that it pretty much has to come down to many children dying for meaningful change to take place.
USA reports 11 deaths under 16 and Canada 10
So 21 deaths in what 15 or 20 years these have been around
Probably around 1 per year
How many kids have been killed by drug users or drug dealers… probably more than 1 per Year
USA alone has so many drug related shootings they probably can’t even reliably track how many kids get shot
Leave the drug addicts alone!
Also legalize it man. By it I mean pretty much everything. Yowza daddy-o.
in this case the police are correct
