• Ferrous@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    Noooo, you don’t understand. Biden tried really, really hard to not send 21 billion to Israel. Trump wanted to send aid! Big difference, tankie.

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      I didn’t realise there was an American Indian genocide, although I did hear a lot about an indigenous American genocide.

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        Polling of turtle island indigenous peoples indicate that a good majority still prefer the term Indians. You can read Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz All the real indians died off and 20 other myths for the reasons.

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      Source for that 75% claim? Wondering how it’s calculated since I’ve heard ~90% died to plagues the settlers brought, but since 75% is below that it seems like it’s calculating something else. Is it referring to some specific time period?

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        It is possible 90% of certain tribes on the East Coast died of plague. However the vast majority of native Americans were slaughtered other ways.

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    The purpose of this is not to make a comparison between two ill suited politicians (Trump being the far worse), but to erode trust in democratic institutions and to prevent you from even paying attention and voting. Nothing is stopping anyone from electing an independent politician, without red or blue affiliations.

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      Nothing is stopping anyone from electing an independent politician

      If you’re going to lie at least try to make it remotely believable

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        What makes you think I’m lying? I don’t know your ballot, but I’m pretty sure there is more than just two options there, no? And not just thr presidential ones.

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    Yes they are both exactly the same. They both started the same number of wars. They both imposed the same amount of tariffs. They both dismantled the institutions in the same way. They both enriched themselves completely equally. They both created the same anti immigrant/lgbtqia/abortion rules. They both fucked over the economy exactly the same.

    The are completely the same. Don’t you see it? Everything you felt got worse under Trump is just your imagination because they are completely the same. So don’t vote at all because they are completely the same. Trust me. Just throw your vote away. Because they are completely the same. It doesn’t matter if the Republicans get another term because they are completely the same. Just give in to your despair and do nothing. Let the others handle it because it doesn’t matter because they are completely the same. Ignore all the date saying otherwise because I made meme that said they are completely the same. And that means they are completely the same.

    And if they are not the same then the democrats are surely not perfect and that makes them worse than the Republicans. Don’t you see it if you make things only a little better it’s much worse than making everything worse because eat least that is consequent.

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      You could have said all of that by saying “I don’t care about genocide, just don’t make me have to hear about it in the news” and saved us all a lot of time.

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        No you don’t understand. I wanted to say that they are exactly the same. And that I would be bad to even vote and taint our souls with that.

        Because we both know that both bombed the same number of people to death in Iran including women and children. It’s crystal clear that both have destroyed the same number of boats that were allegedly drug boats.

        I just want to protect everyone from even considering there could be a worse choice and that they might vote and make things less bad. It’s such a strong message to not vote. We all know that when we don’t vote we get the secret third candidate who is actually the best person in the world and they will end all the suffering and make everything good again. We just have to convince everyone.

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          You’re not beating the allegations here. But you are annoying as fuck, so if that’s what you’re going for, then bravo.

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      At least Biden made the trains run on time! 🥺

      This analogy is made even more apt by the way Mussolini tried to make the trains run on time, namely through breaking strikes and busting unions, which Biden did too! Funny coincidence.

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      Only with liberalism can you reduce genocide into a bipartisan issue.

      Of course you want your treats, you’d accept genocide and misery outside the western powers for it.

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        Yes exactly. Don’t you see that I am agreeing with you. It would have been bad to even vote.

        Because we both know that both bombed the same number of people to death in Iran including women and children. It’s crystal clear that both have destroyed the same number of boats that were allegedly drug boats. They literally have put the same number of immigrant children in cages. I counted them myself.

        I just want to protect everyone from even considering there could be a worse choice and that they might vote and make things less bad. It’s such a strong message to not vote. We all know that when we don’t vote we get the secret third candidate who is actually the best person in the world and they will end all the suffering and make everything good again. We just have to convince everyone.

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      Looking as an outsider they are the same in terms of children killing. Foreign policy is pretty tight among parties it seems.

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      thing about genocide is: it is so many units of measure worse than all other things you mentioned that all the other stuff is a dot.

      stop giving in to genocide because your guy is slightly better to some cohort of folks than the other guy.

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        You misunderstand me. I am agreeing with you. Voting would have been just as bad as Hitler.

        Because we both know that both bombed the same number of people to death in Iran including women and children. It’s crystal clear that both have destroyed the same number of boats that were allegedly drug boats. They literally have put the same number of immigrant children in cages. I counted them myself. Didn’t you know that Biden also wanted to build hotels in Gaza. It’s crazy that they are so much the same.

        I just want to protect everyone from even considering there could be a worse choice and that they might vote and make things less bad. It’s such a strong message to not vote. We all know that when we don’t vote we get the secret third candidate who is actually the best person in the world and they will end all the suffering and make everything good again. We just have to convince everyone.

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      Biden’s legacy will be that he was the butcher of Gaza. Who forced his administration to do this?

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        No one. And since trump is more open everyonr should vote for him right? If not him than whatever republican is on right?

        You think that graph is some kind of gotcha as if that is the only or most important event happening on the planet. Its not in any sense. Bidens legacy will be “better than trump by any metric” and yes that includes zionist support.

        All youre doing is helping israel with this. But do keep telling us why we should vote for the most extreme because there is no difference

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        Wow! You mean Biden personally went and murdered Palestinians? Oh wait, no.

        So you must surely mean that US troops went in and murdered Palestinians? Oh, not that either huh?

        Ok, well then certainly you must mean that the US government ordered Israel to attack Palestine and instructed them to target civilians and infrastructure! Hmm, that doesn’t add up either, does it?

        Oh wait! I got it now! You are upset that Israel is using weapons sold to them by the biggest weapons manufacturer in the world who has long standing contracts to sell weapons to practically everyone and have decided that instead of directly blaming Israel, you will completely ignore calling out Israel and instead act like the genocide is entirely the fault of the US, specifically Biden! Did I get that right?

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          long standing contracts

          That graph he just posted kinda pokes some holes in this narrative that it’s just “long standing contracts” when there’s a massive increase in aid during his term.

          There’s also the reality that you lot tend to ignore/deny which is that Biden bypassed congress to send additional weapons.

          And you describe the US as “the biggest weapon manufacturer in the world” as though that somehow makes it better instead of worse. We’re already producing ridiculous numbers of bombs, and then we’re sending even more bombs to arm a genocide, and that’s somehow OK?

          It’s so ridiculous. All the US is doing is having Israel do it’s dirty work so it has plausible deniability that rubes and partisan hacks can hide behind.

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          long standing contracts

          “Won’t someone think of the contractual obligations?? 😩😥”

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          We evolve from “I’m just doing my job” to “I’m just doing my contractual obligations”. Shut the fuck up cancer.

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          sold

          See the graph is specifically about aid explicitly not buying/selling. Without this aid Israel could not survive not to mind perpetrate it’s many many horrors and atrocities against the people of Palestine, Lebanon, Iran etc.

          If you want to be sarcastic or disengenous it’s best to pick one or the other both together just make you look like an arrogant fool.

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          That’s military aid not sales. Never mind that even selling weapons to a country engaging in genocide is complicity in the crime. US support under Biden was more than just military aid.