CONCLUSION: I will stop watching them since all of these alligations and “false?” hardware testing makes me not wanna support them. Even if most of them aren’t true, i don’t want to risk it

ive heard some mixed things about ltt so i want to know if theyre actually bad or not

and im not watching them for linux help, i just like the content, but i also dont want to support a bad person

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    “Quality clickbait” is the best description I have.

    It’s an entertaining channel, prone to reviewing flashy stuff, rather than useful tips as the name might suggest. But not completely stupid, those guys have some knowledge and skills to back it up.

    I can’t say how it changed over time, I’ve only watched them occasionally over the last 2-3 years.

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      That about sums then up. They have been on a streak promoting Linux, which is pretty great since they are a bigger channel. Are they perfect? No, but they are helping get new users into Linux.

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        I remember making the choice to just stop watching any Linux-focused videos from that channel. They always just tended to frustrate me. But, as I understand, the main host has started to really enjoy Linux lately due to the Steam Machine. Have their Linux videos improved at all due to that?

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      They’re basically filling in that market for entry level tech knowledge and enthusiasts that used to be occupied by CNET and Tom’s Hardware when written articles were king.

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      This is such a tired take. He gets people enthusiastic about exciting or fun things in tech. Not every tech channel or influencer needs to deep dive analytics or details. Even so, they sometimes do exactly that.

      Like him/them or not, they have advanced repairablity, spotlighted unethical behavior, and made useful guides for things like ad-blocking and piracy.

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    watch the video of linus buying a private jet and see if that’s the kind of guy you wanna support

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      linus buying a private jet

      Wow, thanks, I didn’t know that.

      Before he was just mildly annoying and not something I wanted to watch.

      Now he’s confirmed as an asshole, who must not be supported, from my perspective.

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    I used to watch them, but overtime they’ve become super corporate with none of the authenticity of the older videos; and also basically everyone I used to watch for has left.

    Then there was the whole situation with the sexual harrasment stuff that just put the final nail in the coffin for me.

    Every time it appears now in my feed its just so clearly clickbait view slop with no personality. They haven’t done anything like the large-scale projects like they used to in a long time.

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      Also, their attitude towards Linux has always been unncecessarily hostile; with Linus refusing to respect that he has to learn how to use a different operating system and just treating it like Windows which will naturally lead to instability and crashes.

      If you were to treat macOS like Windows the same would happen too.

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        To be fair the last time I saw Linus try linux, he tried to install steam and the package manager removed the entire desktop environment. This was PopOS, and PopOS clarified in the comments that Linus just so happened to be making the video when there was a big bug in their system. So I don’t fault Linus for being a bit put off

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          It gave him a very visible warning that this will break his system and only to proceed if you know what you’re doing. He pressed yes I know what I’m doing and purged all of the desktop environment packages. You would get the same result on any operating system by disregarding a warning like that.

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            But that should’ve never happened. He did say very clearly that he isn’t going into the challenge as a tech savvy dude but as a naive enter smashing user. That was completely on pop os for even suggesting the option.

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            I’ve been told a thousand times that linux and linux gaming were finally easy before getting in, not in a thousand years would I have thought installing steam would kill my whole linux installation.

            Just my two cents. Also I’ve learned that linux people tend to lie through their teeth so I never take them too seriously, the same people that get angry when you criticize linux for difficulty or weirdness will crucify you for installing steam in the exact moment a once in a lifetime bug you couldn’t predict (as a newcomer) kills your os.

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          I feel like people here never finished his videos, he is still using linux after switching off popos, and has been heavily promoting it on the wan show. He also made a video recently on what linux distro to choose, although i haven’t watched it and a video comparing ram usage on windows and linux.

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            I was talking about his venture into PopOS that was 4 years ago. It does seem like he has warmed up to Linux much more in the past few months, that’s pretty cool

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        I would agree with you 6mo ago, but ever since their last Linux challenge, it feels like LTT is full linux-pilled now. Before, they seemed to exclusively compare capabilities vs mainstream OSes, and only focus on where Linux fell short, because realistically, that’s all mainstream gamers care about. But after the last Linux challenge, they all chose to stay with Linux on their personal machines, because they all felt like it was worth any compromises to not have to deal with windows.

        As Linus put it, if something doesn’t work in windows it’s because of bugs or lack of money. If something doesn’t work in Linux, it’s because no one in the community has been annoyed enough by it to fix it.

        As Luke put it, every time he’s had to fix an issue on Linux, he’s actually enjoyed it because it felt like he was learning about his machine.

        Linus recently did a call with Ludwig about the feasibility of non-tech YouTubers using Linux. Ludwig said “I just think it’s better to have more options, so everyone can use the option they want”, which is historically the line Linus goes with, except that he countered with “consider that windows actively uses their status to limit people’s options, does that change your mind?”

        Overall, I think the channel still has to be realistic about the general public’s adoption of Linux. They review the latest tech, and if the latest tech is built exclusively for windows, then they have to review it there. But they do seem to be much more critical of window’s enshittification, and openly advocate for people to try Linux in spite of a rocky transition. It’s been refreshing to finally see the self-professed tech nerds actually cross that threshold into owning their hardware. And whether you like it or not, LTT and Pewdiepie are driving orders of magnitude more people to Linux than we are.

        Edit: oh and Linus openly declared that It’s the year of the Linux Desktop, telling viewers it is ready for mainstream adoption.

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        A former staffer made claims of sexual harassment. It is unclear how substantiated those were, but i guess there was something going on. Since then they made a very heavily publicised effort to do better, but it’s obviously hard to tell from the outside if that resulted in real changes.

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          I was expected to post three tweets, two Instagram posts, and two TikToks per day. I was also expected to plan, film, edit, and post two Floatplane exclusives per week. This included wrangling people to be in them when they were also all struggling to get their work done.

          [edited for formatting]

          This sounds like a normal workload for a full-time social media manager. The article doesn’t provide any details about the sexual harassment allegation.

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            I didn’t see anyone here mention the spat Linus had with Gamers Nexus. That was stupid and ugly and set me against watching any more of his channel. I was never a regular anyways. Jeff Gearling is far better.

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              Yeah I’ve mostly avoided GN ever since that incident. There was a time when they just objectively reviewed hardware and reported their findings. The LTT debacle was an uncalled-for hit piece in an attempt to drum up drama for views.

              It was eye opening to hear Alex’s take in that whole situation. How they did so much damage over qualms they could have addressed to LTT directly. LTT, like any company, has a lot of issues, but that was just so uncalled for.

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                Even if GN approach was a bit aggressive, I find it difficult to have empathy for the multi million dollar company that refuses to pay their employees fairly while using them to build out the boss’s third mansion

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    I’m pretty sure Linus doesn’t know how to use a computer.
    Hardware-wise, he knows how to put things together and modify it to suit his purpose but when it comes to installing and using software, he has no fucking idea what he’s doing.

    The two Linux challenges that he has participated in has made this clear for most of us Linux users…
    But it’s not just Linux he struggles with, he makes all the same fails with windows all the time.

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      Glad it’s not just me that feels this way. He’s always come off a somebody who doesn’t really know shit about fuck but caters to people who know even less so he can pretend on the Internet.

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    He hate unions. Doesn’t pay his workers fairly. Drives a porsche. Has a private jet. Knew that honey was scamming him with the last click affiliate links switcheroo and instead of exposing them he quietly ended there sponsorship with them.

    Also the 2 - 3 sponsor breaks plus the “at ltt store dot com” self promotion every 5 minutes really makes the videos unbearable to watch even with sponsor block.

    Let alone all the non compete shit with his workers as well as the working atmosphere that was reported by some of the workers.

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      [citation needed]

      For unions he has said he is pro union, just that he would count it as a personal failing if his team felt they needed to unionize.

      For your last point there are over 100 people working there. You will inevitably meet oddballs who are not happy with anything. Also non compete is (unfortunately) standard legalise these days.

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    Most of the comments here are very wrong, assuming the worst, or deliberately have their head in the sand about some of the controversies and the reality of those situations.

    LTT is casual-ish tech - not as mainstream casual as MKBHD ot UrAvgConsumer, but way more casual than say, Craft Computing.

    I consume a ludicrous amount (and wide range) of TechTube and have seen plenty of controversies and have ditched plenty of channels due to scandals. GamersNexus used to be a favorite. Emphasis on past tense. They did a lot of deliberate hit pieces on LTT and it’s rather well documented - Zip Tie Tuning/Tech by Alex has a fantastic video shedding light on the misbehavior of GamersNexus - plenty of other folks also covered their motivations and unfair approach. Linus is a character - and definitely can be emotional - but his dialogue attempts with Steve were commendable - Steve just decided to be a whiny baby instead. Self-stylized “journalist” one might say.

    Controversies fanned by GN are what rendered a lot of people anti-LTT, and unable to rectify their views once the attacks impacted. LTT had plenty to criticize (and I do), but the GN attack topics were not them.

    I almost ditched LTT and boycotted them after all those attacks. But once the smoke cleared and reality made itself known, I was pleasantly surprised to have not knee-jerk reacted.

    LTT like all channels is beholden to nonsense algorithmic marketing that all channels suffer, so I’ve noted more clickbaity behavior in recent videos.

    I’m a far-left, pro-union, Linux-loving, Windows-hating, Apple-hating, Big Tech-hating, anti-sexual assault, anti-billionaire, pro-little guy type of person.

    I consider LTT to be edutainment with more good impact than bad. They’ll suffer some of the pitfalls of capitalism with some aggressive marketing. They’ll naturally need to compete in the YT space. But the characters running the show seem to have their heads screwed on right and their morals in a good place. They will make mistakes. The WAN show sheds light on it - including at times Linus’ difficulty in handling blame. But he also often comes around - and all things considered I’m not too mad about that as his primary negative trait.

    I don’t love the private plane purchase but there’s so much more nuance to that with an intended sell of it than others give allowance to understand.

    Also I’d be remiss if I didn’t highlight Linus’ pro-trans (and broadly, LGBTQ+) approach - his support/ready defense of Emily when she came out was great to see.

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      Thanks for the nuanced take. I got downvoted recently for saying I don’t get the hate for LTT. I like watching it and learning.

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    I don’t like Linus, the channel’s content is half-assed at best, and there is so much sponsored content and self-promotion that it feels more like a ‘skip-the-ads’ game.

    On the flip side I think it’s good that they shit on Microslop regularly and steer their audience towards Linux. With such a huge ‘normie’ audience, they are helping introduce those normies to the existence of alternative operating systems and apps. Their videos can have momenta that make me smork (either because of something titanically stupid or something clownish). Additionally, I’ve seen some videos of them that have alerted to new projects, hardware or even situations in the tech environment (which I then research in other places, of course).

    I have nothing to say about private jet, political views or orientations.

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    ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
    He is a fraud who use hidden advertisement. Apart from that he is an idiot, who will push false information people fall for.
    Almost the entirety of the content originally was product placement. Which is why if you go back to the beginning almost everything he reviewed was amazing!!
    NEVER NEVER NEVER trust him.

    Just his moronic ignorant approach to Linux should be telling that he is still a tech moron. Even now that he has economic independence to actually make quality content if he wanted.
    Instead he is complaining that Linux doesn’t support hardware, when it’s the hardware that doesn’t support Linux. He can’t even understand basic logic. It is not up to “Linux” to write a driver, it is up to the hardware manufacturer. And that is also how it works on Windows. But “Linux” doesn’t give him money.

    Just seeing his channel mentioned pisses me off, because his popularity is harmful to the industry. Watch LTT and leave worse informed than you were before watching that crap.
    I have had ALL his channels blocked for years. Because everything he makes is worthless because you can’t trust any of it, because he is both ignorant and 100% a commercial channel.

    If you want real info, watch Gamers Nexus, Hardware unboxed, and similar channels.

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      Wow, LTT must be a good channel if people are shilling so hard against it. I will check it out, thanks for the recommendation.

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    It’s fine as entertainment, I just don’t take it too seriously

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    “The Problem with Linus Tech Tips: Accuracy, Ethics, & Responsibility” (44:14mins) by Gamers Nexus on August 14, 2023: YouTube or Invidious or Internet Archive

    This video is not monetized. This video covers our serious concerns regarding the data accuracy of Linus Media Group, including Linus Tech Tips, ShortCircuit, and TechQuickie, particularly as it relates to rushing content out the door to favor – by staff’s own admission – quantity over quality. As the company continues to expand into its LTT Labs direction, the importance of accurate data increases; however, even as ‘only’ entertainment, there are still certain responsibilities to the consumer and the manufacturers to report fairly (and to have defined corrections processes in place). We tried to approach this as objectively as possible and hope that viewers are able to listen to the evidence we present, particularly as it relates to significant and frequent data errors that now present in nearly every technical review video.

    TIMESTAMPS
    
    00:00 - The Last 2 Weeks
    01:40 - LMG is Rushing Too Much: Establishing the Premise
    03:48 - LTT's Own Employees Agree
    06:58 - This Isn't "Drama" & Risks
    09:05 - Bad Data from Linus Tech Tips
    10:12 - GPU Review Errors
    15:02 - CPU Cooler Test Errors
    19:09 - PSU Review Errors
    19:53 - CPU Review Errors
    22:39 - Asterisked Errors
    26:15 - Ethical Concerns: Irresponsible Actions & Conflicts
    28:21 - Ethical Concerns: The Review of Billet Labs
    34:49 - Ethical Concerns: 'Not-Review' of Pwnage Mouse
    36:53 - UNACCEPTABLE & The Community is Disturbing
    39:22 - Unfair to Consumers, Manufacturers, & Reviewers
    

    New video after Linus Tech Tips responds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3byz3txpso (only from 00:48 to 12:57 part)

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    I overall like it for entertainment. As far as I can tell, through the years of “scandals”, Linus doesn’t seem like a bad person. Just a person who means well but makes human mistakes sometimes.