Unclear if threat has been carried out or if move will jeopardise talks with US scheduled for Sunday

Unclear if threat has been carried out or if move will jeopardise talks with US scheduled for Sunday

Iran has said it is closing the strait of Hormuz after waves of Israeli strikes in Lebanon in a move that threatens to derail the fragile interim peace deal with the US, signed just days ago.

The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps warned ships not to approach the strategic waterway, which before the war carried a fifth of global oil and liquid gas supplies, citing what it called Israeli crimes in Lebanon and a US violation of commitments to establish a ceasefire there.

It was unclear if the threat had been carried out, or if it would jeopardise talks in Switzerland scheduled for Sunday that were supposed to start the process of turning the current interim agreement between the US and Iran signed this week into a more detailed deal covering Iran’s nuclear programme.

  • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    20 hours ago

    Every time The Guardian says “the Iranian Regime” but not “the Israeli Regime”, they’re framing both sides differently, which they do all the time time.

    Ditto when they say that Iran “claims” but US/Israeli sources “say”, again countless times - in one of those for example within a single paragraph (the 3rd) you have “Iran claims” and “US officials said”.

    I bet you’re so used to them using differently charged words for different sides you just accept it as natural without spotting that they’re using differently charged words and implying different levels of trustworthiness for each side, which is exactly how Manufacturing Consent techniques work on people who don’t try and spot such forms of manipulation.

    • Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      24·
      19 hours ago
      1. as bad as Israel is, it is not an authoritarian state oppressive of its “own” people, even though that doesn’t justify invading Iran. it is trending that way but it’s somewhat far from having an IRGC
      2. you’re not comparing “Iran claims” to “US said”; you’re comparing “Iranian claims” to “US said” instead of “US statements”. here, “claims” is just shorter. in your example the word “claims” is used at the same frequency for trump and iran. google results suggest “US statements” is used at about the same percentage as “Iranian statements”
      • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        41·
        10 hours ago
        1. You must have somehow missed the 1/3 of people who live in Israel and don’t have the right of voting there even if the lived there all their lives, their parents lived there all their lives and their grandparents lived there all their lives. Or how only a Jewish person can be an Israeli National and non-Jews can only be Israeli Citizens which is different in Israel and has less rights.
        2. Mate, it’s literally there: “Iranian claims” and “US officials said”. Same paragraf, talking about exactly the same subject of did the US bombs damage an Iranian nuclear facility or not - per The Guardian the US Officials said they did damage it whilst Iran claimed they didn’t. Your slimy misdirection attempt about “statements” doesn’t change what’s actually there.

        I take back my bet that you’re just used to seeing Manufactutring Vonsent framing and think it’s normal - per your point 2 it’s clear that you yourself are purposefully trying to spread misinformation.

        • Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          11·
          2 hours ago
          1. That’s true. It doesn’t change that Iran is more oppressive, unfortunately. I hold that oppressing everyone (and especially a certain nearly 1/2 of the population) is worse than apartheid oppression.
          2. My entire argument is that “Iranian claims” is different from “Iran claims” and The Guardian uses the noun phrase for everyone at the same rate. You might argue about the latter, but the former is what The Guardian uses to refer to “the things that X said” and not “X said”, because there is no such thing as “Iranian saids”, and the closest alternative “statements” is just longer and rare.
            Your reply does not address that, or that I did also argue the latter. From looking across their articles, including the one you sent and not just that paragraph, The Guardian uses “claims” the verb for Iran at about the same rate it does for the US. In fact, the same goes for the noun phrase in that article. (listing both: Trump claims, Iran has claimed, Trump was quick to claim, Mohammad Eslami[ ]claimed, Iranian claims, Trump’s claims.)