Having better weapons than your enemy will make you safer, yes. And when they’ve been trying to conquer you for a thousand years or so, I think that’s a fair approach.
I mean I do have to ask, what’s the main perk of AI drones. IE finding one guy who can sit on a chair and pilot a remote drone, still seems significantly cheaper and more reliable than hope the AI can differentiate a group of school children from a military opperation. (though with the track records I’ve seen of most militaries, probably not much).
Depends on what you are talking about. Using an AI to work out ‘viable’ targets during the planning stage? That’s how you end up blowing up an Iranian girls school. Using AI to highlight vehicles and steer the drone into them after the command is given? That is becoming a necessity in Ukraine, where the jamming and other counter measures make remotely flying drones more and more difficult.
I think the main advantage is the drone, once locked onto a target, cannot be jammed. Both sides have a bunch of handheld jammers, as well as bigger vehicle mounted ones, which is why this and fibre optic drones are so common.
You’d hope there wouldn’t be any school children in the middle of a war zone.
Signal jamming and disruption. The main perk of the autonomous drone is that it can continue functioning after losing contact. That is at least what I understood as one of the main drivers behind autonomous drone usage in Ukraine.
You can have swarms of drones that gather data and feed it to eachothers continuously, each making decisions individually and as a swarm, like a swarm of bees but million times as destructive, of course.
But it’s just simply that 2 computers can communicate between eachothers so much faster and more efficiently than having humans in the loop
Also this allows far better autonomous operation, quite like sending an elite team somewhere they have to operate with zero contact back home
But yes, it’s also really fucking terrifying thought people have actually built these things and thought it’s a good idea
Program them to understand what different types of targets look like, basic maps, etc.
Program them to know what a destroyed target looks like.
Instead of 1000 drones attacking one target over and over, you get a swarm of drones moving on from destroyed targets and they can’t be stopped by communication jammers.
Ukraine already had drones capable of autonomously recognize tanks, including their type, and attack them at their known weak point. If there are people inside, this can kill them. The only “revolution” here is they can now do it on smaller drones made to track humans.
Also one guy in a chair per drone is not enough with the amount of targets present. Image recognition and value/hit probability (AI) lets one guy pilot many drones (in theory, haven’t seen that yet) and still have the final say whether he wants to hit the targets it suggests.
Potentially lets you use drones farther too, find and track a target while it’s flying high, confirm the thing manually, then fly below the radio horizon until it hits said target.
radio and satellite communication jamming has resulted in fiber optic drones. Autonomous permits longer range from safer control room, on general area to deploy to.
CIWS, Iron Dome, the KARGU from Turkey… Hell you could call mines autonomous if you stretched the definition enough. The cats been out of the bag for years and pretending a smaller nation playing catch-up is a world changing moral issue is just naive.
Yes, I pointed at defensive examples. There’s zero reason why similar platforms couldn’t be offensively used. The tech is here, it’s been here, and just like every other weapon humanity has ever created ignoring it is counterproductive.
Mines are actually a great example, killing indiscriminately long after the war is over. Now we’re getting flying mines and we can all regret it when it’s too late.
And yet they are the first to use it offensively. It’s not my problem you fail to see the escalation that this invites. Good luck when the drones are coming for you.
Ukraine is literally the first country to use autonomous drones to kill soldiers, full stop. This is an escalation with no ceiling. I invite you to reread this comment in one year. Further, Russia wouldn’t have invaded if Ukraine wasn’t ethnically cleansing Russian speakers within its borders, and not building an army on its border with Russia. Fuck Russia, but fuck the Nazis in Ukraine even harder.
Ukraine had drones capable of recognizing tanks and attack them at their weakest points after losing their signal. They had it for a long time now. That was already a “terminator drone” for the tanks’ crew, but at the time medias didn’t make much noise about it.
Russia still rely on drones connected by optic fibers. They still don’t have autonomous tanks killers, and their drones operators are exposed because Ukraine’s tech has a range advantage: their operators get to stay beyond Russian drones range.
Having better weapons than your enemy will make you safer, yes. And when they’ve been trying to conquer you for a thousand years or so, I think that’s a fair approach.
I mean I do have to ask, what’s the main perk of AI drones. IE finding one guy who can sit on a chair and pilot a remote drone, still seems significantly cheaper and more reliable than hope the AI can differentiate a group of school children from a military opperation. (though with the track records I’ve seen of most militaries, probably not much).
Depends on what you are talking about. Using an AI to work out ‘viable’ targets during the planning stage? That’s how you end up blowing up an Iranian girls school. Using AI to highlight vehicles and steer the drone into them after the command is given? That is becoming a necessity in Ukraine, where the jamming and other counter measures make remotely flying drones more and more difficult.
I think the main advantage is the drone, once locked onto a target, cannot be jammed. Both sides have a bunch of handheld jammers, as well as bigger vehicle mounted ones, which is why this and fibre optic drones are so common.
You’d hope there wouldn’t be any school children in the middle of a war zone.
Signal jamming and disruption. The main perk of the autonomous drone is that it can continue functioning after losing contact. That is at least what I understood as one of the main drivers behind autonomous drone usage in Ukraine.
You can have swarms of drones that gather data and feed it to eachothers continuously, each making decisions individually and as a swarm, like a swarm of bees but million times as destructive, of course.
But it’s just simply that 2 computers can communicate between eachothers so much faster and more efficiently than having humans in the loop
Also this allows far better autonomous operation, quite like sending an elite team somewhere they have to operate with zero contact back home
But yes, it’s also really fucking terrifying thought people have actually built these things and thought it’s a good idea
Send 1000 drones to an area.
Program them to understand what different types of targets look like, basic maps, etc.
Program them to know what a destroyed target looks like.
Instead of 1000 drones attacking one target over and over, you get a swarm of drones moving on from destroyed targets and they can’t be stopped by communication jammers.
Ukraine already had drones capable of autonomously recognize tanks, including their type, and attack them at their known weak point. If there are people inside, this can kill them. The only “revolution” here is they can now do it on smaller drones made to track humans.
Isn’t the problem jamming when you have remote operation so the AI doing this self sufficiently does not need a signal anymore.
Perhaps these can be jammed too but this was part of the tech race in this war. It’s why they used fiber glass cables.
Also one guy in a chair per drone is not enough with the amount of targets present. Image recognition and value/hit probability (AI) lets one guy pilot many drones (in theory, haven’t seen that yet) and still have the final say whether he wants to hit the targets it suggests.
Potentially lets you use drones farther too, find and track a target while it’s flying high, confirm the thing manually, then fly below the radio horizon until it hits said target.
radio and satellite communication jamming has resulted in fiber optic drones. Autonomous permits longer range from safer control room, on general area to deploy to.
Seems clever until you realise Russia can also stick AI on a drone and now you’ve handed them a golden excuse to.
You don’t think anyone else is already doing it now? Ukraine is the magical tech center that is the only one who can possibly invent this? 🤔
The tech has existed for years.
And yet they are the first to use it in open war.
CIWS, Iron Dome, the KARGU from Turkey… Hell you could call mines autonomous if you stretched the definition enough. The cats been out of the bag for years and pretending a smaller nation playing catch-up is a world changing moral issue is just naive.
Yes, I pointed at defensive examples. There’s zero reason why similar platforms couldn’t be offensively used. The tech is here, it’s been here, and just like every other weapon humanity has ever created ignoring it is counterproductive.
Mines are actually a great example, killing indiscriminately long after the war is over. Now we’re getting flying mines and we can all regret it when it’s too late.
And yet they are the first to use it offensively. It’s not my problem you fail to see the escalation that this invites. Good luck when the drones are coming for you.
Brimstone missiles exist; a missile which picks its target itself. Ukraine is not the first country to do this.
Furthermore, if you want the killing to stop, point your finger at the invader, Russia.
Ukraine is literally the first country to use autonomous drones to kill soldiers, full stop. This is an escalation with no ceiling. I invite you to reread this comment in one year. Further, Russia wouldn’t have invaded if Ukraine wasn’t ethnically cleansing Russian speakers within its borders, and not building an army on its border with Russia. Fuck Russia, but fuck the Nazis in Ukraine even harder.
Ah, now I see what’s happening here. Thanks for the discourse, enjoy your rubles. 👍
Your username is somewhat misleading.
Let’s see that then…
I’m sure this comment will age well.
This account is 10 days old, you’re just going to delete your comments and start fresh.
I’m just getting started after lurking for years.
Ukraine had drones capable of recognizing tanks and attack them at their weakest points after losing their signal. They had it for a long time now. That was already a “terminator drone” for the tanks’ crew, but at the time medias didn’t make much noise about it.
Russia still rely on drones connected by optic fibers. They still don’t have autonomous tanks killers, and their drones operators are exposed because Ukraine’s tech has a range advantage: their operators get to stay beyond Russian drones range.
So no, Russia doesn’t have the tech yet.