I’m not sure that’s really a foregone conclusion or what evidence you have to say we can’t all be against billionaires without having gender equality.
I am for gender equality, but it really isn’t required for class solidarity.
At least I understand why you are so tenaciously stuck to this perspective now. So please tell my why it is we need the gender issues to be solved simultaneously.
Maybe we can’t have gender equality until we solve the class one, that makes sense to me… the ruling class are mainly responsible for sustaining the culture divide.
Asking me the question (and you’re repeating yourself at this point) isn’t helping me see how this is so. Im not saying you’re wrong, but the gender issue isn’t a barrier to the class issue.
If women in the lower classes are not seen as equals to their peers in the same class, how can we possibly believe that class solidarity is achievable? I’m sincerely asking you how you are able to envision any level of solidarity while simultaneously supporting women being treated as lesser than men.
I don’t know how many different ways I can say that I am agreeing with you, fundamentally, that is something worth solving. You continue to frame it as if I’m against if I’m not fully agreeing that these things need to be of absolutely equal priority.
Again, you’re not supporting your argument by asking me this. And I’ve already given an example. It can be done entirely without balancing all the other conflicting cultural humors, and has been in the past.
How will we achieve it? I don’t suggest we start reinventing the wheel. Same ol’ same ol’.
All of the other cultural stratification issues we deal with are extensibly maintained by the power that is held by the rulers. If we are going to talk about gender, then we should also talk about race, and also ableism, and political alignment and all the other juxtapositions of cultural conflict that make up the many-headed hydra of inequality.
You want the egalitarian life, and so do i. But I think you can’t beat a hydra by cutting off one of it’s heads. You cut out its heart and you burn it.
Choosing the larger battle of class issues isn’t saying you support the Patriarchy, it’s correctly identifying one of the major support structure for the patriarchy that must be dismantled for gender equality to even be a realistic possibility.
I am for gender equality, but it really isn’t required for class solidarity.
Maybe we can’t have gender equality until we solve the class one, that makes sense to me… the ruling class are mainly responsible for sustaining the culture divide.
And I disagree that we must ignore gender equality in order to have class solidarity.
Take a wild fucking guess what gender the majority of the upper class is.
You can be pedantic all you want, but gender and class are not separate issues.
You’re not making an argument that I don’t understand or have an opposing view for.
Im saying its of secondary importance. And if you want an equal proportion of B$ out there, I still want them all at the bottom of the ocean.
This is the opposing view of mine. They’re equal in importance because we can’t have class solidarity without gender equality.
I’m not sure that’s really a foregone conclusion or what evidence you have to say we can’t all be against billionaires without having gender equality.
I am for gender equality, but it really isn’t required for class solidarity.
At least I understand why you are so tenaciously stuck to this perspective now. So please tell my why it is we need the gender issues to be solved simultaneously.
Maybe we can’t have gender equality until we solve the class one, that makes sense to me… the ruling class are mainly responsible for sustaining the culture divide.
How do we even begin to work towards class solidarity if we’re to ignore the subjugation of women?
Asking me the question (and you’re repeating yourself at this point) isn’t helping me see how this is so. Im not saying you’re wrong, but the gender issue isn’t a barrier to the class issue.
Here is an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution
If women in the lower classes are not seen as equals to their peers in the same class, how can we possibly believe that class solidarity is achievable? I’m sincerely asking you how you are able to envision any level of solidarity while simultaneously supporting women being treated as lesser than men.
I don’t know how many different ways I can say that I am agreeing with you, fundamentally, that is something worth solving. You continue to frame it as if I’m against if I’m not fully agreeing that these things need to be of absolutely equal priority.
Again, you’re not supporting your argument by asking me this. And I’ve already given an example. It can be done entirely without balancing all the other conflicting cultural humors, and has been in the past.
How will we achieve it? I don’t suggest we start reinventing the wheel. Same ol’ same ol’.
All of the other cultural stratification issues we deal with are extensibly maintained by the power that is held by the rulers. If we are going to talk about gender, then we should also talk about race, and also ableism, and political alignment and all the other juxtapositions of cultural conflict that make up the many-headed hydra of inequality.
You want the egalitarian life, and so do i. But I think you can’t beat a hydra by cutting off one of it’s heads. You cut out its heart and you burn it.
Choosing the larger battle of class issues isn’t saying you support the Patriarchy, it’s correctly identifying one of the major support structure for the patriarchy that must be dismantled for gender equality to even be a realistic possibility.
And I disagree that we must ignore gender equality in order to have class solidarity.