• mrgoosmoos@lemmy.caEnglish
    10·
    19 hours ago

    why would I care? the US is spying on me and they’re a much bigger threat to me

  • rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works
    27·
    1 day ago

    If you bought a coffee pot requiring network access and give it unrestricted internet then you deserved to become a government pawn

  • lightnsfw@reddthat.com
    4·
    19 hours ago

    What’s the worst that can happen? China takes over and I’m forced to slave my life away and not be able to get anything I want?.. oh wait…

  • mghackerlady@leminal.space
    73·
    23 hours ago

    I don’t give a rats ass if chinas tracking me. Why? because I don’t live in china nor do I ever plan to. In fact, I’d prefer they track me instead of a US company

  • caboose2006@lemmy.world
    10·
    1 day ago

    I’ve got a french press. Is it spying on me for china or France. At this point I don’t care which one.

  • Dearth@lemmy.world
    52·
    1 day ago

    what exactly is the concern with China knowing when I make my coffee or use my laundry machine? It’s not like they’re interested in stealing my identity or scamming me out of my savings. Outside of the generally icky-ness of having your data stolen, what’s the endgame?

    • marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today
      141·
      1 day ago

      Silly Answer: American morning rituals are sacred. They are to be hidden from our enemies.

      Actual Answer:

      Small Data sources compiled over time with rough geographic approximation (or direct geographic information such as GPS sensors on phones) as well as likely consumer information can actually form a complete or near complete profile on the habits and locations of individuals, groups, and companies, including military targets. As an example, if we assume all Chinese companies are secretly government controlled (they’re not.) extensions of their spy agency then, for example, a useful profile might include:

      Time the alarm clock went off + time water heater gets activated + time coffee maker is set to make coffee + time refrigerator is opened and closed + time recorded by alarm system + video from doorbell cam = Accurate morning routine, including when the house will be empty, when it will be occupied but not actively monitored (during a morning shower), if and when the person might be gone for a run and how long

      If you need to target say, a general who you believe has classified information in his home office, then it would be amazing to know all of this. It’d also be easier to just bribe the maid to get what you want (which is how 99% of ‘spying’ operations actually work.)

      If you extend that to all things that might form some amount of data on their use, you could get a total profile of everything someone does in a day in their home… or office… or possibly military base.

      Now is this is a risk? Yes.

      Is this a likely risk? No. Not even a little. Again bribing a maid or maintenance technician is cheaper, easier, and way, way less risky.

      Then why do so many Chinese appliances send this information to unknown and scary ip addresses?

      Because data is valuable to advertisers, and theoretically it’s valuable to engineers to know how their product is being used. This combined with executives’ push for everything to have an app, because data is valuable and because it makes the product seem ‘modern,’ fully offers a simple explanation on how and why we find ourselves here. But sinophobia in the Amerisraeli Empire is the only way the Epstein class actually maintains any control – if there is an enemy who they accuse of doing even worse, the subjects of the empire let them do anything they way.

  • CaptainBasculin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    501·
    2 days ago

    All jokes aside, IoT devices suck.

    Why does a dishwasher need to connect to a remote server to use its full functionality? Why does my coffee maker need me to start it using an app? At that point it isn’t a feature, it’s a dependency that the company behind will eventually shut down one way or another.

      • AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        24 hours ago

        My new line is “it needs to be flashable”. I just got rid of my Google nest for a Honeywell zwave one while I design an esp32 based one.

        • village604@adultswim.fanEnglish
          1·
          23 hours ago

          I need to get my 3D printer working so I can actually print a housing for my smart thermostat.

          All you really need is a temperature sensor and a 4x relay board.

          • AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            23 hours ago

            Ya the basic thing isn’t that difficult. I am adding other air quality sensors and I want to be able to control air exchange, humidifier, and exterior vents (bathroom fan). And I want it to be a bit more advanced/energy efficient vs a dumb pid loop. Also, it should operate if home assistant goes down.

            • village604@adultswim.fanEnglish
              1·
              23 hours ago

              I have an automation for controlling bathroom vent fans using a humidity sensor in the bathroom and a reference one outside it if you’re interested.

              It also has logic to not turn off the fan if it has a Bluetooth speaker that’s playing music (currently using the “Music Active” companion app sensor, Bluetooth MAC was flakey).

              And logic to turn it off if the AC is running and music isn’t playing.

              • AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                23 hours ago

                I appreciate it! I have one setup already, mine decides whether to circulate the air in the house or vent the bathroom fan depending on the humidity in the rest of the house too.

                I like the idea/practice of “edge devices” where each device has its own responsibilities and autonomy to some extent, with home assistant acting as an overseer. if HA goes down, most of my house still works fine/has fallbacks. Need that wife approval factor lol. one time she couldn’t turn off the lights while I was out of town, lol she was a little pissed

      • batmaniam@lemmy.world
        8·
        2 days ago

        Frankly you shouldn’t stop with just IoT devices. My sister wouldn’t listen to the HA so she’s not allowed over. It was a bit of a fight in the family but the dog listens so it got to stay and I think that’s totally reasonable.

    • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      2·
      2 days ago

      Do toasters die? I’ve been using the oven whenever I needed toast do to counter space but like the design of a toaster makes me feel like if you shot a hole through a toaster you might just get a toaster that heats most of the bread, and you just have a circle where it doesnt toast. I guess it depends where you shoot it maybe.

      • Kowowow@lemmy.ca
        3·
        2 days ago

        I had one fail because my brother didn’t know about the release button to it became a fire hazard

      • Pat_Riot@lemmy.today
        2·
        2 days ago

        I think if you broke the element it wouldn’t work anymore. I honestly just added the toaster because I thought it was funny. I don’t even have one anymore. I have a Ninja Flip multi function toaster oven. Lol.

        I refuse to have any “smart” appliances at all

        • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          1·
          2 days ago

          I’m fairly certain I don’t have any smart appliances. Like I’m not sure what I’d even want them to do. Which probably makes me the dumbest appliance in the house. I can’t keep a schedule to save my life, so it’s not like I could schedule a coffee pot, and I dont really care for coffee. Maybe a tea pot but like why… Id probably rather just have it cold at that point. Hot beverages are a pain to drink because I’m afraid of burning myself over and over which I’ve done hundreds of times, so I wait for it to be like luke warm and then it really just defeated the purpose.