I’m currently in the middle of a workout, doing endless sets of dead bugs as remedial core work so I can eventually have bigger lifts and better climbing performance.
This kind of attitude (like, the one the meme is joking about, not the meme itself) annoys me, since I feel like it ultimately sets back most of the people it is supposedly trying to inspire.
Like, waking up at 4am is dumb for almost everyone, almost all the time - especially if your goal is to work out. Your body needs a certain amount of sleep to recover and function well, and shorting it sleep to get more training in is likely setting you back more than giving you gains. And if you are getting the same amount of sleep total each day anyway… why not just wake up later and get your workout in in the afternoon? If you are really that crunched for time and stressed out, the optimal solution is more likely to simply reduce the number of workouts per week. More recovery time means both less overtraining, and a better training stimulus with each workout since you are more rested going into it.
I wake up at 5 for my workout simply because I’m a morning person, and I like getting it out of the way first thing. It’s also a nice, calm time, which helps me rest more effectively between reps. Plus I’m still half asleep when I start, so I skip over the feelings of “I don’t want to do this,” since I’m already doing it by the time I’m awake enough to have those thoughts.
Assuming 8 hours of sleep and a 4am wake up, that would be an 8pm bed time. Assuming the person works a 9-5, that is 3 hours from the end of work until bed time. I suppose that’s enough time to commute, do chores, eat dinner, and engage in a healthy amount of low stress social time… but I have a hard time imagining most people keeping this bed time consistently. Especially since, at least where I live, you’d be going to bed before sunset for about 1/3 of the year.
Again, I think a 4am wakeup is dumb for most people, most of the time. There are edge cases, of course. But the average go-getter 9-5er who wants long term success in their career, fitness, and relationships would be better served by waking up later, working out less, and spending more time socializing with other people (preferrably in a healthy way) during after work hours.
Looks like this is the biggest one, but pretty dead unfortunately.
I’ve heard this phrased before as “why are there so many engineers in climbing?” And most people say “something something puzzles.” I then present my theory that the reason is that engineers are a bunch of nerds with poor social skills, and climbing gives them an easy way to socialize
I guess everybody is different. I’m a natural introvert that excels at extroversion due to my past. So for me it wasn’t the social thing and in fact I had a hard time getting my friends to climb so had to find a climbing group.
What hooked me about climbing is that it’s a rare sport where I lose myself and my mind goes quite. Like nothing other than guitar practice makes my mind shut up so once I found that I was hooked.
In my twenties I’d wake up at 4am, hit the gym, work pulling wrenches until around 2-2:30, get home and do chores for an hour or two, eat, go for a run, shower, then watch tv, play video games, or go out with friends. I don’t live a completely sedentary life but I do work at a desk all day. I go for a couple walks every day and complete my chores. It’s not that I’m a constantly exhausted heap as I approach fifty but there’s absolutely no way my energy levels are close to what they were twenty years ago. My joints swell up if I push myself too hard and my muscles take longer to heal/recover. It’s still worth doing the things but I’m going to be watching my step and make sure I have my footing these days when twenty years ago I wouldn’t have cared if I slipped down a few rungs on a ladder if it saved me thirty seconds getting down.
I’m 31 and have been in and out of shape my entire adult life, and yeah, I’m not surprised by either of your comments. When I’m out of shape I have no energy to even do all my chores and I definitely don’t have time, but by some miracle spending half an hour to an hour of biking most days leaves me with more time and energy after the initial hump. Add in some bodyweight exercises and for some reason then I have the time and energy to keep my home clean.
I don’t know why I let the periods of tiredness go on as long as I do.
Use it or lose it, the body doesn’t waste energy so if you don’t do physical activities then the body doesn’t see the point in making you more energetic but when you do exercise the body is like we need to prep in case this happens again.
Then you have the brain chemicals like endorphins which boost mood and can give you a boost of energy.
There is a line though, which I noticed with my running, that if I kept pushing for faster and faster times I was tired so much due to fatigue. I now run for the intrinsic value of running, I don’t care to get faster and just run for the fun of it and I’m just full of beans now lol
Yeah, also just, when I’m active moving my body takes less effort. I’ve got more muscle, a stronger heart and lungs, and I’m typically more trim. I’m also getting more sun.
And yeah competetive exercise is great if you love it, but I find only functional gains improve how I feel. Speed is good if I need to build cardio (I normally ride at a leisurely pace), but I like sticking to aerobic and keeping it at a pace I enjoy, mostly ramping up my capacity in distance and terrain. It’s far more valuable for me to be able to bike my mental health better or keep up with a riding group than to achieve a personal best.
Exactly. If you’re doing physical activities for my health reasons, as I am, then it’s the activity itself that gives the value and not chasing PBs.
That said all my life and hobbies have been for the intrinsic value of them rather than to show off to friends or with some end goal in mind. Like it tried to learn Spanish for over a year for no reason other than it was a cool thing to try, then when I drop it it didn’t matter as the goal wasn’t to learn Spanish it was to exercise my curiosity.
I feel that. I’ve come down with a really bad cold this month and just stopped everything for 2 weeks, and really slow getting back into it.
I feel like such garbage from just that bit of inactivity. I was actually shocked by how quickly the wheels fell off, I started to hurt, feel a sluggishness that I couldn’t shake, feel more depressed and hopeless… Working out helps but it’s taking me a while to climb out of this hole. It’s so hard, it’s like I’ve lost the ability to believe I could feel better, let alone want to workout.
I used to get up at that time because work hours made me. I tried going to the gym after work, but I was usually spent by then. Working out before work also made me work better.
So, 4.30am it was. For years. No regrets, except that I can no longer do it.
I’m currently in the middle of a workout, doing endless sets of dead bugs as remedial core work so I can eventually have bigger lifts and better climbing performance.
This kind of attitude (like, the one the meme is joking about, not the meme itself) annoys me, since I feel like it ultimately sets back most of the people it is supposedly trying to inspire.
Like, waking up at 4am is dumb for almost everyone, almost all the time - especially if your goal is to work out. Your body needs a certain amount of sleep to recover and function well, and shorting it sleep to get more training in is likely setting you back more than giving you gains. And if you are getting the same amount of sleep total each day anyway… why not just wake up later and get your workout in in the afternoon? If you are really that crunched for time and stressed out, the optimal solution is more likely to simply reduce the number of workouts per week. More recovery time means both less overtraining, and a better training stimulus with each workout since you are more rested going into it.
I wake up at 5 for my workout simply because I’m a morning person, and I like getting it out of the way first thing. It’s also a nice, calm time, which helps me rest more effectively between reps. Plus I’m still half asleep when I start, so I skip over the feelings of “I don’t want to do this,” since I’m already doing it by the time I’m awake enough to have those thoughts.
You make a good case…
I wake up at 6 in the summer, still getting my 8 hours… But yes, bed at 22. I dont think im missing much in evenings anyway.
you’re basing this on a false assumption that all people go to bed after 10pm
Assuming 8 hours of sleep and a 4am wake up, that would be an 8pm bed time. Assuming the person works a 9-5, that is 3 hours from the end of work until bed time. I suppose that’s enough time to commute, do chores, eat dinner, and engage in a healthy amount of low stress social time… but I have a hard time imagining most people keeping this bed time consistently. Especially since, at least where I live, you’d be going to bed before sunset for about 1/3 of the year.
Again, I think a 4am wakeup is dumb for most people, most of the time. There are edge cases, of course. But the average go-getter 9-5er who wants long term success in their career, fitness, and relationships would be better served by waking up later, working out less, and spending more time socializing with other people (preferrably in a healthy way) during after work hours.
Hey a fellow climber. At first I thought how odd but most climbers are nerds and most of Lemmy is nerds so probably loads of climbers on here.
Do you know of any climbing subs on here?
Looks like this is the biggest one, but pretty dead unfortunately.
I’ve heard this phrased before as “why are there so many engineers in climbing?” And most people say “something something puzzles.” I then present my theory that the reason is that engineers are a bunch of nerds with poor social skills, and climbing gives them an easy way to socialize
Ohhhh, let me tell you about partner dancing.
Based on the friend I have who is an autistic poly climber girl who keeps inviting me to blues dance nights… yes
I usually suggest Lindy hop first, but the blues and fusion crowd are great too.
Thanks.
I guess everybody is different. I’m a natural introvert that excels at extroversion due to my past. So for me it wasn’t the social thing and in fact I had a hard time getting my friends to climb so had to find a climbing group.
What hooked me about climbing is that it’s a rare sport where I lose myself and my mind goes quite. Like nothing other than guitar practice makes my mind shut up so once I found that I was hooked.
climbing, cycling, and back country. the core hobbies and interests of engineers.
In my twenties I’d wake up at 4am, hit the gym, work pulling wrenches until around 2-2:30, get home and do chores for an hour or two, eat, go for a run, shower, then watch tv, play video games, or go out with friends. I don’t live a completely sedentary life but I do work at a desk all day. I go for a couple walks every day and complete my chores. It’s not that I’m a constantly exhausted heap as I approach fifty but there’s absolutely no way my energy levels are close to what they were twenty years ago. My joints swell up if I push myself too hard and my muscles take longer to heal/recover. It’s still worth doing the things but I’m going to be watching my step and make sure I have my footing these days when twenty years ago I wouldn’t have cared if I slipped down a few rungs on a ladder if it saved me thirty seconds getting down.
I’m the opposite of this.
I’m 43 in a few weeks and have more energy and are fitter than ever really.
Climb 2-3 times a week, run 3 times a week and walk a hell of a lot.
I’m 31 and have been in and out of shape my entire adult life, and yeah, I’m not surprised by either of your comments. When I’m out of shape I have no energy to even do all my chores and I definitely don’t have time, but by some miracle spending half an hour to an hour of biking most days leaves me with more time and energy after the initial hump. Add in some bodyweight exercises and for some reason then I have the time and energy to keep my home clean.
I don’t know why I let the periods of tiredness go on as long as I do.
I believe it’s a combination of factors really.
Use it or lose it, the body doesn’t waste energy so if you don’t do physical activities then the body doesn’t see the point in making you more energetic but when you do exercise the body is like we need to prep in case this happens again.
Then you have the brain chemicals like endorphins which boost mood and can give you a boost of energy.
There is a line though, which I noticed with my running, that if I kept pushing for faster and faster times I was tired so much due to fatigue. I now run for the intrinsic value of running, I don’t care to get faster and just run for the fun of it and I’m just full of beans now lol
Yeah, also just, when I’m active moving my body takes less effort. I’ve got more muscle, a stronger heart and lungs, and I’m typically more trim. I’m also getting more sun.
And yeah competetive exercise is great if you love it, but I find only functional gains improve how I feel. Speed is good if I need to build cardio (I normally ride at a leisurely pace), but I like sticking to aerobic and keeping it at a pace I enjoy, mostly ramping up my capacity in distance and terrain. It’s far more valuable for me to be able to bike my mental health better or keep up with a riding group than to achieve a personal best.
Exactly. If you’re doing physical activities for my health reasons, as I am, then it’s the activity itself that gives the value and not chasing PBs.
That said all my life and hobbies have been for the intrinsic value of them rather than to show off to friends or with some end goal in mind. Like it tried to learn Spanish for over a year for no reason other than it was a cool thing to try, then when I drop it it didn’t matter as the goal wasn’t to learn Spanish it was to exercise my curiosity.
I feel that. I’ve come down with a really bad cold this month and just stopped everything for 2 weeks, and really slow getting back into it.
I feel like such garbage from just that bit of inactivity. I was actually shocked by how quickly the wheels fell off, I started to hurt, feel a sluggishness that I couldn’t shake, feel more depressed and hopeless… Working out helps but it’s taking me a while to climb out of this hole. It’s so hard, it’s like I’ve lost the ability to believe I could feel better, let alone want to workout.
I used to get up at that time because work hours made me. I tried going to the gym after work, but I was usually spent by then. Working out before work also made me work better.
So, 4.30am it was. For years. No regrets, except that I can no longer do it.
I agree there are edge cases. I just think it shouldn’t be billed as the ultimate productivity solution to the average person.