• sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    23 小时前

    Yeah, I don’t get this.

    In John, there’s a wedding and the planners forgot to bring the booze, so Jesus tells some dudes to fill a bunch of casks with water, and then poof kablamo, they are made into wine via the power of Jesus being irritated.

    There’s certainly a lot of imagery and focus on the blood of Jesus in the Bible… but the whole transsubstantiation/consubstantiation thing is about … the reverse of this, wine either transforming into, or metaphorically representing the blood of Christ.

    I am… not aware of any part of the Bible nor sect/branch/denomination/church that teaches that Jesus at any point turns his blood into wine.

    I don’t think that even happens in any of the ‘expanded universe’ / Gnostic texts.

    In summary:

    Wine -> Blood? Yes*.

    Water -> Wine? Yes.

    Blood -> Wine? No.

    • ZombieChicken@reddthat.com
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      During the blessing at Mass, the priest says “…this is my blood…”, quoting Christ at the Last Supper. when blessing the wine. You are overthinking it. I think the joke is that Jesus’s blood is wine.

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      12 小时前

      I love the implication that water could be turned into wine and that wine into blood. Arguably only if the first step happened before Jesus’ death and the second after

    • YesIAmHoomanNoCat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      22 小时前

      Some Christians (at least roman-catholic) celebrate communion, consuming ‘bread’ and wine that has been blessed. According to them the bread and wine literally become body and blood of Christ. That’s the joke of the comic :)

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        21 小时前

        Yes but that’s backwards of what the comic is representing.

        As I said… I don’t think any kind of Christian believes that Jesus’ blood ever turns into wine.

        That doesn’t happen anywhere in the text.

        So… the joke is… based off of a thing that doesn’t happen?

        It would be like making a joke based off the idea that Moses can summon floods.

        He can’t. He’s never shown to be able to do that, he’s shown to be a water bender who can move water out of the way, but not generate it.

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          21 小时前

          doesn’t happen anywhere in the text.

          Religion is more than just the book. Catholics literally believe that the wine at mass is literally Jesus’ blood. This is a joke about them. Not about the book that their specific flavor of whatever is based on.

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            16 小时前

            The wine turns into Jesus’s blood when the priest blesses it.

            This comic is the complete opposite of that.

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              12 小时前

              I can’t believe I’m arguing this…

              In the comic, Jesus isn’t turning his blood into wine. He’s simply tapping the vein.

              Jesus’ blood is naturally alcoholic. We know this because the transubstantiation turns the wine at mass into Jesus’ blood, and THAT blood is alcoholic. The fact that the wine was originally alcoholic is completely unrelated. The priests could transubstantiate water into Jesus’ blood, and it’d still be alcoholic.

              That’s assuming you actually believe in transubstantiation.

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                12 小时前

                There are people who celebrate Eucharist with grape juice and it doesn’t turn alcoholic. It’s not that transubstantiation makes it alcoholic.

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                  10 小时前

                  So you’re saying that Jesus blood is different based on who is doing it??

                  Sounds like someone is doing it wrong

                  • village604@adultswim.fan
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                    8 小时前

                    It’s the blessing that matters, not the contents of the cup. In transubstantiation the outward characteristics don’t change.

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            21 小时前

            The literally believe the blessing of the Eucharist turns the wine into the blood of their nailed god.

            Not that the blood of Christ turns into wine.

            Hope this helps.

          • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            21 小时前

            Look, I’m not Catholic or any kind of Christian, but…

            Catholics do not believe that Jesus’ blood turns into wine.

            So… acting like they do… is just trolling, basically.

            Its not a joke, because it doesn’t stem from a thing that someone actually believes.

            It is simply asserting that someone believes a thing they do not… which is trolling.

            There are a vast plethora of ludicrous things that varying kinds of Christians believe are literally true, that you could make an actual joke out of.