There we differ. Not just the succumbing to name-calling, ~ that’s understandable, to an extreme. The “Start with Marx”. That does not oft go well. Out of the Big Baron frying pan into the Big Brother fire. I suggest it’s better to start with the anarchists, from before Marx stripped the freedom, reduced it to economics, like the freedom would trickle down, perverting the worth “communism”, that anarchists had been using for at least 5 years before Marx handed it over to tankies and totalitarians.
I say Marx should have listened to Bakunin more than Engels (or whatever or whoever (in London) that so corrupted the philosophy of his youth).
“We are convinced that liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; and that socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality.” – Mikhail Bakunin
Did you not see how I said to go to Kropotkin? Someone who specifically criticizes Marx and exposes the flaws in his theory?
I simply feel starting with Marx is to get a good understanding of what generally “the Left” sees as a baseline for defining what “communism” is. It is beneficial to be well read, even of those you disagree with what they say.
I should read more Bakunin. I read Engles in my youth around the time I was being exposed to communism alongside Marx. Then I was exposed to Anarchism through a new understanding of media and following the history of geopolitical movements they were associated with (big punk music fan).
I guess I will apologize for succumbing to insults. Social media these days has my patience thin for online interactions.
There we differ. Not just the succumbing to name-calling, ~ that’s understandable, to an extreme. The “Start with Marx”. That does not oft go well. Out of the Big Baron frying pan into the Big Brother fire. I suggest it’s better to start with the anarchists, from before Marx stripped the freedom, reduced it to economics, like the freedom would trickle down, perverting the worth “communism”, that anarchists had been using for at least 5 years before Marx handed it over to tankies and totalitarians.
I say Marx should have listened to Bakunin more than Engels (or whatever or whoever (in London) that so corrupted the philosophy of his youth).
“We are convinced that liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; and that socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality.” – Mikhail Bakunin
We need both.
We have neither.
Did you not see how I said to go to Kropotkin? Someone who specifically criticizes Marx and exposes the flaws in his theory?
I simply feel starting with Marx is to get a good understanding of what generally “the Left” sees as a baseline for defining what “communism” is. It is beneficial to be well read, even of those you disagree with what they say.
I should read more Bakunin. I read Engles in my youth around the time I was being exposed to communism alongside Marx. Then I was exposed to Anarchism through a new understanding of media and following the history of geopolitical movements they were associated with (big punk music fan).
I guess I will apologize for succumbing to insults. Social media these days has my patience thin for online interactions.