If you’re holding a camera all good I can see you’re definitely trying to record me. If you’re trying to be slick and record me with your secret little spy glasses I literally couldn’t care less about what’s legal or not.
No, it’s not the same indeed. If something is “correct” is a (shared) opinion. Another person might disagree and consider other things correct. That’s what freedom looks like.
That’s why people are trying to change the law to make these glasses illegal. They are willing to risk the consequences until that point.
You only care about the law protecting you, and are taking advantage of the law not yet protecting others. If you abuse the law, others see no issue with breaking the law to stop you.
There are cameras everywhere anyways. Don’t act a way you want on film if you’re outside your home, otherwise there’s a chance it’s being recorded and there’s nothing you can do about it 🤷
Consider the hammer analogy, which says that my right to swing a hammer ends where you begin.
My right to privacy doesn’t end simply because I venture out into public. If I decide to go out, and someone little secret camera sees and records me, and creates a file to the effect of, “This is gigastasio and he was seen crossing 5th and Spruce at 11:32 am today, here’s who he was with and everything known about them available on social media, news reports, and more,” freely accessible to another private citizen with no need for that information, that’s antithetical to the value of respecting and protecting our privacy.
You would not walk up to me, ask my name, and begin searching me while I stood there and watched. If you did I would either ignore you or lie to you, which would be the proper response. If that behavior is wrong, so is secretly collecting someone’s identity, whereabouts, associations and other info. And there are very sound counterarguments against the “nothing to hide” stance that can be better articulated by others than I can do at the moment.
Rather than taking the attitude of “there’s already public surveillance, so more is okay,” I would instead say there’s already surveillance, so resist the temptation to add even more and work to dismantle what currently exists.
I think it would be necessary. And if anyone has a problem with it let them bring legal challenges. In fact, let’s run arguments for and against identity and information harvesting by private citizens against private citizens through the courts and see what shakes out. Seeing as how your position is based on what’s legal as opposed to what’s ethical, I bet you’d be in favor of that.
An important distinction that I don’t want to get lost in our discussion is that this isn’t just a camera. It’s a device designed to provide a user with someone’s identity and, by extension, available information about the target without their knowledge or consent. I can instantly think of half a dozen ways that can be used to bring harm to others, some of which meet the legal standards for harassment.
So taking someone’s picture, and using facial recognition to acquire their identity and entire digital footprint for unspecified use by another private citizen, all in secret…line seems awfully clear to me.
No you won’t. I’m might set up a camera on the sidewalk outside your house tomorrow, and there’s nothing you could do about it. Nothing. You’re not in charge.
Neither are you bro you keep thinking of gotchas but like so what? Damn lumen outsmarted me guess I’ll let them creep on me instead of stopping them. 💀
Well if you set up a camera, it’s probably not the smart glasses, and thus not problematic. Someone could break your glasses, and even if they fail, they could chase you away, so you couldn’t record what you wanted to, and others would know to avoid you.
Like it or not, legal or not, people would attempt to stop you, and this whole thread is people explaining exactly why they’d do that.
You act as if this is the first social issue you’ve discussed with a group, and that’s ok, but remember that you entered into a discussion in progress, and it’s up to you to catch up with the discourse.
You think so? You think you have a right to install your camera on public property?
There are usually peeping tom laws that prevent this kind of thing, and it’s certainly cause for a civil harassment case if the person you’re spying on knows about it.
The real question is: why do you want the ability to film someone’s house like that unless you’re a creeper?
If you’re holding a camera all good I can see you’re definitely trying to record me. If you’re trying to be slick and record me with your secret little spy glasses I literally couldn’t care less about what’s legal or not.
Plus, the law doesn’t concern your feelings. It doesn’t matter if you like something or not, if it’s legal, it’s legal.
And legal is not the same as correct
No, it’s not the same indeed. If something is “correct” is a (shared) opinion. Another person might disagree and consider other things correct. That’s what freedom looks like.
That’s why people are trying to change the law to make these glasses illegal. They are willing to risk the consequences until that point.
You only care about the law protecting you, and are taking advantage of the law not yet protecting others. If you abuse the law, others see no issue with breaking the law to stop you.
There are cameras everywhere anyways. Don’t act a way you want on film if you’re outside your home, otherwise there’s a chance it’s being recorded and there’s nothing you can do about it 🤷
Consider the hammer analogy, which says that my right to swing a hammer ends where you begin.
My right to privacy doesn’t end simply because I venture out into public. If I decide to go out, and someone little secret camera sees and records me, and creates a file to the effect of, “This is gigastasio and he was seen crossing 5th and Spruce at 11:32 am today, here’s who he was with and everything known about them available on social media, news reports, and more,” freely accessible to another private citizen with no need for that information, that’s antithetical to the value of respecting and protecting our privacy.
You would not walk up to me, ask my name, and begin searching me while I stood there and watched. If you did I would either ignore you or lie to you, which would be the proper response. If that behavior is wrong, so is secretly collecting someone’s identity, whereabouts, associations and other info. And there are very sound counterarguments against the “nothing to hide” stance that can be better articulated by others than I can do at the moment.
Rather than taking the attitude of “there’s already public surveillance, so more is okay,” I would instead say there’s already surveillance, so resist the temptation to add even more and work to dismantle what currently exists.
I don’t like surveillance either, but as it currently stands, you have no expectation of privacy in public.
So as long as there are surveillance cameras, it would be stupid to forbid any civilian filming in public.
I think it would be necessary. And if anyone has a problem with it let them bring legal challenges. In fact, let’s run arguments for and against identity and information harvesting by private citizens against private citizens through the courts and see what shakes out. Seeing as how your position is based on what’s legal as opposed to what’s ethical, I bet you’d be in favor of that.
It’s not strange to want a line drawn somewhere regarding public photography. But I just don’t see how that line ever can be drawn in a fair way.
An important distinction that I don’t want to get lost in our discussion is that this isn’t just a camera. It’s a device designed to provide a user with someone’s identity and, by extension, available information about the target without their knowledge or consent. I can instantly think of half a dozen ways that can be used to bring harm to others, some of which meet the legal standards for harassment.
So taking someone’s picture, and using facial recognition to acquire their identity and entire digital footprint for unspecified use by another private citizen, all in secret…line seems awfully clear to me.
Might not be anything I can do about you recording me but I can act in a way that will make you think twice about recording the next person
Yeah? What will you do exactly?
No you won’t. I’m might set up a camera on the sidewalk outside your house tomorrow, and there’s nothing you could do about it. Nothing. You’re not in charge.
Neither are you bro you keep thinking of gotchas but like so what? Damn lumen outsmarted me guess I’ll let them creep on me instead of stopping them. 💀
Well if you set up a camera, it’s probably not the smart glasses, and thus not problematic. Someone could break your glasses, and even if they fail, they could chase you away, so you couldn’t record what you wanted to, and others would know to avoid you.
Like it or not, legal or not, people would attempt to stop you, and this whole thread is people explaining exactly why they’d do that.
You act as if this is the first social issue you’ve discussed with a group, and that’s ok, but remember that you entered into a discussion in progress, and it’s up to you to catch up with the discourse.
You think so? You think you have a right to install your camera on public property?
There are usually peeping tom laws that prevent this kind of thing, and it’s certainly cause for a civil harassment case if the person you’re spying on knows about it.
The real question is: why do you want the ability to film someone’s house like that unless you’re a creeper?
Not install, but hold. Yes, I do have that right where I live.
Cool, I’d hate to live in a place where you can creep on your neighbors.
I bet it’s a pervert’s dream.
It’s like you’re asking to be punched.
Actually, you know what, you are so bad at advocating for your side of things, I’ve decided I’m on your side. Please, keep posting this.