• Kairos@lemmy.today
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    2 days ago

    Man this country needs to get serous about juries because it seems that there’s no point to them.

    Also what the fuck is “concealing a document” and how the fuck is it a crime.

    Additionally, how is it not double-jeopardy to convict someone of

    1. Firing a firearm
    2. Firing a firearm while firing a firearm
    • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world
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      23 hours ago

      Having been to jury duty last year. They really hit you with a ton of propaganda. They basically try to brainwash all potential jurors before even getting to actual jury selection. People need to know thier rights. They do not in fact have to vote guilty based on the instructions of the judge. They are supposed to make up thier own minds. It’s intended to be a check and balance on the judicial system.

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        They basically try to brainwash all potential jurors before even getting to actual jury selection. People need to know thier rights. They do not in fact have to vote guilty based on the instructions of the judge. They are supposed to make up thier own minds. It’s intended to be a check and balance on the judicial system.

        I’ll say! I came this close to being on a jury, they need 12 plus some number of alts (3?) and I think I was down to < 20 at that point. Anyway, when questioned on the “following instructions” bit I think I waffled just enough on that to get bounced.

        But yeah, fuck that: we need more jury nullification on things like this. Don’t bow to “the law” if you think it’s bullshit.

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        I got out of jury conscription by phrasing my refusal in terms of religion. They let my whole group go, I think because of my sermon.

        It’s pretty wild that you can get out of jury duty for religion but not for secular reasoned principles. I would prefer not to talk about religion but I was desperate to escape.

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      2 days ago

      They used to say “you can get a grand jury to indict a ham sanwich.” then that guy threw a ham sandwich at that ICE agent. Then the grand jury refused to indict him twice.

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      I think it’s supposed to be for like deleting logs or financial records when a search is imminent. But in that case it’s based on the stuff you’re concealing containing evidence of a crime. Some zines aren’t that.