firefox is debataable
Name a better open source browser built from the ground up that isn’t backed by big tech, I’ll wait.
Ladybird is on the horizon.
Also Firefox isn’t built from the ground up I don’t believe. It’s based on Gecko which iirc was based on KHTML. idk i can’t fully remember don’t take this as fact. i use firefox and prefer it to chomium based browsers but Mozilla has been making really weird moves lately around AI that I think is very unnecessary.
Chrome and Safari are built from forks of KHTML, WebKit, not Gecko
Firefox was born out of the Mozilla project.
Ok, while most of these don’t have companies behind them with huge revenues, most work on these projects is done by paid developers, with money coming from sponsorships, grants, donations and support deals. (Or in the case of Linux - device drivers are a prerequisite for anyone buying your product).
Developers getting paid to work on open source is a good thing. These projects may have begun their life as small hobby projects - they aren’t anymore. (And that’s probably good)
Obviously this isn’t a Ferengi operation.
People have ALWAYS wanted to make better tools. Did we need to improve our arrowheads and spears every generation? No, we could have kept the same designs as long as they got the job done.
But humans are pretty unique. We will spend significantly more time testing and improving our tools for only a minor improvement. Because we are not doing it for only ourselves. We are doing it for the knowledge of future generations.
Closed source software and profit driven economic models go AGAINST human nature. It is human to plant trees for which you will never live to enjoy the shade of.
There is no major company that allows tools to be written that fill this human connection in building something solely for the purpose of building a good tool to make our lives easier and better.
Non-profit means the corporation isn’t set up to make a profit and the business operates off of donations instead of selling a product. So there is always a profit motive. I wish more people understood this. Everything from Greenpeace to MADD is still a corporation ran by people who want to make lots and lots of cash.
Who woulda thunk greed is the denominator??!!
I’m not sure Firefox belongs on this list. Google finances Mozilla’s operation to the tune of $420M a year. It’s not for-profit, but it’s also not the same as the others.
Google wants to finance anything they can get their damn search engine into, that’s not entirely the fault of Firefox. I still use a firefox-based browser, but only for now.
There is ladybird on the horizon, a browser being built from scratch, not based on either Gecko or Webkit.
There’s also Servo but it’s been in the works for a long time.
It’s an easy paycheck for allowing Google as the default search setting. If Microsoft paid as much we would be seeing the same arguments about Bing.
hmm…if Firefox dies, can LibreWolf continue? 🤔
Almost certainly not. All the offshoots from Mozilla’s tech rely first and foremost on Mozilla’s production of the foundational software, which eats up a significant portion of their roughly $500M/yr operational costs. The heavy development cost of modern browsers is why everything is either Chromium or Gecko-based.
That said, Mozilla will be around as long as Chromium continues to dominate the market. Google literally funds Mozilla because it’s cheaper to prop up a competitor than it is to be sued by the government for monopolistic practices (check out 1998 decision against Microsoft for bundling Internet Explorer with Windows).
Google funds them so their is “competition” in the browser space, to ward of antitrust lawsuits
Doubtful. Librewolf still uses Firefox as base.
If you have better ideas for financing firefox, go ahead :)
First of all, I’d get rid of a CEO that wants to be paid millions of dollars a year.
Do what they did with Thunderbird. https://blog.thunderbird.net/2023/05/thunderbird-is-thriving-our-2022-financial-report/
You don’t and cannot finance Firefox. Mozilla gets all the money. I would love a Firefox subscription, but the CEO grabs all the millions.
If you have better ideas…
Audacity sold out and is now spyware; use Tenacity instead.
Wait, what?!? You got a source for that?
I’ll be pissed if it’s true… Audacity holds a special place in my heart.
For real!? Damn
Not for real.
Not really, it’s still fully FOSS, they were just terrible at communicating what they actually wanted to do and people got spooked.
Really? It doesn’t look like it - theta been some bleating about lag and far of oy uploading audio but other than a whole lot if argument, I can’t see much in the way of details, let alone facts
What people don’t always remember about FOSS is they are just making it for themselves they are users as well as devs. The great thing about FOSS is if someone else happens to use it that’s great and maybe they will contribute to something they use.
Yeah and they get other devs contributing to their project. Nobody’s making Firefox or Blender as a solo project, but band together with some other nerds and this is what you get.
Never doubt the power of nerds arguing over their specific interests to make something amazing. Wikipedia is arguably one of the greatest achievements of humankind, entirely powered by nerd fights.
yeah I recently built myself a music player because I was just so disappointed with all the available options on Linux. Nothing had EVERYTHING I wanted. Many had really crappy shuffles or just didn’t include one at all. many just wouldn’t play the entirety of your music collection and most simply wouldn’t do both online streaming and local music playback. So I built one that’s TUI based that does everything I want and it’s perfect. Allows me to play music from QoBuz, my Navidrome server, or just local music files OR I can play all three making a “SUPER” music library. Shuffle that ACTUALLY shuffles the ENTIRE collection. search feature, integration with soulseek to download music to either my local machine or navidrome and qobuz search to add to that playlist.
I’m not going to release it because A. like i said it’s perfect for me and B. I dont’ want to deal with users git issues or having to deal with other devs wanting to contribute. It works, it’s mine, and that’s that. will never see the light of day.
Can I ask how you integrated Qobuz? I see they have a locked API and no other obvious way to integrate
honestly I just looked at what others have done with qobuz-player which is a TUI qobuz player and pretty much copied and pasted that.
Firefox is not high quality. Every other browser is just worse.
Tbh I quite like it
🫢 Kof, kof! …fork browsers.
Same issues
Apache OpenOffice??
Surely you meant LibreOffice. OpenOffice has basically been dead for years, with no significant work going on.
Lmao I’ve been doing a digital forensics class online, and it’s always got VMs with ancient versions of software on it, so I got to discover what Apache OpenOffice was. Love that they have to use FOSS to teach us shit since Windows needs a subscription.
Typo
I almost wrote dogital forensics. Is that using dogs to find data? Sniff out that hard drive and get datadumping boy!
get datadumping boy!
remember to scoop the poop after
It’s an older image, not updated.
OpenOffice was dead before it was transferred to Apache, so it’s not old enough to excuse.
That Firefox logo is from 2019. Oracle killed OpenOffice in 2011. Like, they actually completely stopped all work on it. They intentionally killed it at least eight years before this image was made.
I agree that it shouldn’t be there. LibreOffice is the clear replacement.
LibreOffice just doesn’t roll of the tongue like OoenOffice though. Which really sucks. I even catch myself saying it when I mean LibreOffice.
To expand further on your point, here are the releases for Apache Open Office (OO). We are at 4.1.6. the page for 4.1 release was last updated in 2014. It’s been mainly small bug fixes since then.
https://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/
LibreOffice (LO) and Open Office were essentially the same application at OO 4.0 vs LO 4.1. LO had 3 major releases by 2023 before it went from 7 to 24. With the annual releases it is me difficult to gauge progress in the same way. But we are already at 26.2.
LibreOffice has been updated? Interface still looks like it was designed for Windows 95.
It still looks and behaves like StarOffice.
The templates they include look ancient as well. They do have a mediocre copy of Microsoft’s ribbon interface.
All of the ones here are pretty old, so I can believe the meme is over 10 years old with mayve the firefox logo swapped out
Obligatory shoutout to curl.
I’m more of a wget kinda guy myself.
Try wget2 instead, it’s faster.
I’m more of a Zmodem guy.
If all you use is HTTP or FTP then sure.
Where is FreeCad in this one? I’ve started using it after buying a 3d printer, and it’s awesome what that piece of software lets me create.
definitely a goated application on linux by now. I’ve just started using it, and holy cow, it’s way more capable than I thought it was. 1.0 was a blessing!
It’s got OpenOffice in it. This picture must be ancient.
Shoutout to openscad!
I wonder if it changed much in the last year. The assembly implementation is what’s holding me back. Well, that and staring at cad all day at work already.
Got any links to learning? Ive gotten pretty far in fusion360 but am trying to transition and found f360 let’s me be too lazy or sketch centric/doesn’t require parametric rules
MangoJelly Solutions on YouTube
Freecad requires very different approach to design than fusion, try not to assume how things work
Also Deltahedra.
Check out MangoJelly on YouTube. The guy has hundreds of tutorials for FreeCAD and they’re great
Boredom mostly, if their lazy bosses worked them more then they wouldn’t have time to be productive at home.
/s
With enshitification nowadays, the fact that they’re nonprofit is the reason why the software is good quality.
If you ever feel like you can’t make anything good, keep in mind that companies will intentionally make worse stuff
😤 I’m upset I never thought about it this way till now.
That’s my main issue with windows in particular. Their bad decisions are known to be bad for the user, but in theory good for the shareholders.
I can accept I’m not the right user for a program or feature, but not that the features are against the users.
When money comes in the picture, then profit is more important than the product, and this people really loved the product they are doing, if they have enough money to live comfortably they get to keep control of something they care and love.
