Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728
Ahoy mateys!
A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.
But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. …
More context
Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.
As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. …
Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.
In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.
Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated
i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it
I love how you guys call me a “genocide defender” after I’ve stated so many times that Netanyahu and everybody responsible for the genocide should be tried and eliminated. :D
You’re exactly like MAGA - a fundamentalist who believes that if someone isn’t 100% committed to ALL tenets of your cause, they’re a traitor and an enemy. This tribalism is pathetic and a cancer on our society.
“I want Hitler to be prosecuted, but how dare you call for the destruction of the Reich or violence against Germany!”
You are defending genocide; you are a genocide defender.
Oh! That’s a great example!
Show me on the map which countries have partitioned and taken over Germany’s lands after WW2!
Are you… suggesting that the existence of Germany on our current maps is a hoax and in reality it doesn’t exist…?
WTF are you trying to show here?
Facts are this: 3rd Reich got spanked, its government eliminated, its people remained where they were, and after a short while, governance over the territory was restored to the German people (with the exception of East Germany, but that had nothing to do with 3rd Reich being removed, that was just russia’s attempt at colonialism).
Now, in terms of Israel, people here seem to be suggesting that we should let Hamas “do its thing”, which is: the complete eradication of Israel as a state, a nation, and a culture. Which, by all definitions, is a genocide.
I’m saying: let’s spank them, eliminate their government, let their people remain where they are, and after a short while, restore the governance of its territory to the Israeli people (with the caveat that West Bank and Gaza return to Palestine).
Which is what we did with the 3rd Reich. And for which you people are calling me a proponent of colonialism and genocide.
I hope you understand that playing semantic calvinball doesn’t actually convince anyone
Again: WTF are you talking about?
I’m literally suggesting that Israel should be dealt with exactly like the 3rd Reich - get rid of the fascist government, restore law and order in the region, protect Palestine. But not by eradicating Israel. One genocide does not justify another!
And for that, the extremist fundamentalists around here are calling me a “genocide advocate”.
So you want the right of return to be denied, Palestine to continue to exist as non-contiguous bantustans, and for Israel to simply re-elect a fascist government.
No.
Ok but you don’t reject the Israeli State. Which was founded on a genocide. This is like saying you’re anti-genocide but you support the US’s right to exist.
I disagree here.
Palestinians and Israelites lived in the region for - literally - thousands of years, but neither had a nation. The exact same resolution that established Israel, also established Palestine, and that happened after the “civil war” between them. It wasn’t genocide, it was a ham-fisted attempt at stopping a genocide, because both parties wanted to eliminate the other.
Do I agree to all Israel’s policies, including the occupation of West Bank and Gaza? Absolutely not. Do I agree that the way these two nations were established was correct? Absolutely not.
But this is what they got, and they need to learn to live with it. Just like Qatar did. Or Yemen. Or Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, and Jordan, etc. They were all established by the colonial powers after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, they were all created by moronic Europeans who divided the land based off of oil reserves, and not history, culture, or religion. But - somehow - you don’t see Qatar fighting Bahrain non stop, or Emirates bombing the Saudis.
I’m against going “ooh, but historically X should be Y”. What’s the historical state you want to turn back the borders to? Should Poland stop existing because we’re turning back time to the 18th century? Are we going back to 19th century, where Ukraine was under the russian boot? What is the “correct” state of the world’s borders, in your opinion?
You think this is because of Netanyahu and that this genocide is a recent thing? This genocide is inherent to the state of “Israel”, which is a settler colony. If you believe “Israel” should exist, you are a genocide defender.
No, I just think people who think colonialism is acceptable are enemies. Because you are.
Yes, the genocide is a recent thing considering the Palestinian population has been steadily growing, while their culture was not in any danger of being wiped out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they’re out to get you right after they’ve finished eating their newborn babies. WTF are you smoking,
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what “genocide” means.
Funnily enough - YOU are a proponent of genocide, if you believe the Israelites should have their nationality removed. That’s literally one of the defining aspects of a genocide.
I don’t defend colonialism >as defined in real life<. It’s not what you consider to be “colonialism”, but that’s just because you’re a fundamentalist and an extremist.
lmao, Nakba AND colonialism denial. Excellent.
More colonialism denial.
Yeah, it’s all just colonialism denial. You are a genocidal colonialism supporter. No amount of calling “Israelis” “Israelites” to pretend they’re native to the region and not colonizers will make it true.
Where did I deny colonialism? I acknowledge the fact that Israel is occupying (and colonising) the West Bank and Gaza, I firmly believe they should be pushed out and forced to pay reparations for the decades of stealing land and killing Palestinians.
Is this “colonialism denial” to you?
Israelis vs Israelites might come from language barrier. English is not my native language.
But saying they’re not native to the region when we have archaeological and historical evidence of them being there over 3000 years ago is either extreme ignorance, or fundamentalist extremism.
No you don’t. You believe it would be nice if Israel volunteered to do that willingly, but that anybody trying to force them should be condemned.
WTF even is this comment? I said what I said.
You sure did
You literally deny colonialism in the sentence after asking where you deny it. “Israel” is a settler colony in its entirety, not just in the West Bank and Gaza. Once again, Ben Gurion, who committed the Nakba, was very clear about this. So was Herzl, the main forefather of the “Israeli” state.
“Israelis” are the modern day settlers. “Israelites” are the ancient people. “Israelis” are not native to the region. They are mainly europeans, as well as Arab Jews from elsewhere in West Asia and North Africa. Palestinians are native to the region and are descendants of the Israelites who never left.
It’s like you don’t even read my comments, just default to “wah, wah, wah, you’re a colonialism denier, wah, wah, wah!”
There’s no reason to continue this conversation in this context.
Hey look, it’s Satre’s anti semite.
I read your comments denying genocide, that’s why I reply by calling you a genocide denier. I have explained over and over, but you don’t believe colonialism is genocidal because you are a genocide denier. It seems you also don’t even believe colonialism is colonialism.
I agree, I’m not sure why I even bothered to reply to an obvious genocidal zionist for so long.