• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    the voters who elected him, twice, are still around.

    Buddy, when Gallup stopped polling it, he was like 29% approval? Maybe 27%?

    our problem is America

    The problem is oligarchs and that neoliberals and Republicans both tried to give them anything they wanted for 30 years.

    That’s over, the neoliberls lost the DNC a year ago. Like, I get your feeling, 16 months ago I felt the same.

    But a lot of shit has happened you don’t seem up to speed on

    • Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
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      9 days ago

      Buddy, we’re up to speed on all of it. And I’m glad, I’m glad for all of you that Trump’s approval is cratering, that progressives might have a chance to take over the DNC. Those are good things. I’m excited to see the resistance coming out of Minnesota. I’m happy that there is a real hunger for change.

      But you’re not out here with us. You don’t see what’s going on outside the US.

      We’re done. We’re done with your bullshit. We want the best for you, we want decent Americans to get their country back… But it’s like wanting to see your brother kick the drug habit and sort his shit out. It doesn’t mean you’re suddenly going to let him watch the house for a week.

      Say you kick out Trump again… Why is this time going to be any different from 2020? From 2008? As a nation, you guys have a problem, and that road to recovery, and rebuilding trust, is going to be a lot longer than just getting your six month chit. We’ll cheer for you, but we’re done saddling our fortunes to the whims of a bunch of racist morons in Iowa or fucking wherever. The world is pivoting away from the US, because we can no longer afford to put our trust in a nation whose voters simply do not take the responsibility that comes with all that power seriously.

      The part of Carney’s speech that struck the strongest chord with the world wasn’t when he said that the old order is over. It’s when he reminded us all that it was only ever a compromise to begin with. We accepted a world led by the US, because it was just good enough and easy enough, and we put up with all the costs and burdens that came with that. And yeah, a lot of that is on us, because we didn’t want to do the hard work of building something better. But it was never exactly great having our fortunes saddled to yours. Do you know that in 2008 Canadian banks basically rode out the financial crisis unscathed, because unlike the US, we didn’t massively deregulate our financial sector in the 80s? And yet, we were still plunged into a recession, because we get to eat shit for every bad decision our ally makes. Do you know that when Trump came after us in his first term with all his tariffs, we literally just dusted off the playbooks we’ve written over decades of dealing with that exact scenario, because we’re just used to the US deciding every few years that it’s time to beat up our economy?

      This goes so much deeper than just Trump, and until Americans can see that, there’s never going to be any hope of rebuilding the trust you’ve lost.

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        9 days ago

        This goes so much deeper than just Trump

        You’re right, but solving the immediate problem is a necessary precondition to solving the bigger, deeper problem. And we haven’t solved the immediate problem yet.

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          8 days ago

          In 2020 I turned to my wife after reading some election coverage and said “If Biden wins this election, he’ll basically guarantee a Republican win in 2024. And it’ll be Trump or someone worse.”

          Only thinking about getting rid of Trump, and not putting any thought to what comes after is exactly how America ended up in this situation. Dems had no plan because they thought they didn’t need one. They assumed they could just return to business as usual and everything would work out. And voters punished them for that hubris.

          The sentiments Newsom is echoing today are the same sentiments I saw in 2020; this is just an anomaly, don’t worry about it, we’ll be back to our old selves any day now…

          It’s not enough. Yes, getting rid of Trump is step one. But step one of parachuting is to jump out of a plane, and you should probably have figured out what step two is before you do that.

          Blindly trusting that getting rid of Trump will solve all your problems is going to put you in even deeper shit very, very fast.