I think there’s a lot of people missing the order of events here.
If you only read the OP article, I think that’s a reasonable conclusion.
But the AI nudes were an accusation and there was no proof at that time.
Read the linked AP article. They had many complaints/accusations, and corroborating photos and video from the bus available to them before they decided to suspend her, and before they sent her to the alternative school.
Which is not proof. Complaints are not proof. Accusations are not proof.
But the images were shared on Snapchat, an app that deletes messages seconds after they’re viewed, and the adults couldn’t find them.
Although the girls at Sixth Ward Middle School hadn’t seen the images firsthand, they heard about them from boys at school. Based on those conversations, the girls accused a classmate and two students from other schools of creating and spreading the nudes on Snapchat and possibly TikTok.
The principal, Danielle Coriell, said an investigation came up cold that day as no student took responsibility. The deputy assigned to the school searched social media for the images unsuccessfully, according to a recording of the disciplinary hearing.
There. They didn’t have any proof prior to the fight.
When the girl stepped onto the bus 15 minutes later, the boy was showing the AI-generated images to a friend. Fake nude images of her friends were visible on the boy’s phone, the girl said, a claim backed up by a photo taken on the bus. A video from the school bus showed at least a half-dozen students circulating the images, said Martin, the superintendent, at a school board meeting.
First off, this is the bus ride where the fight broke out as far as I read it. So any photos and videos of events in this bus were not available prior to this bus ride.
Second. How do you get those photos and videos (assuming it wasn’t a bus security camera which wouldn’t be able to make out the photos anyway)? You need a warrant to unlock student’s phones.
The proof of AI nudes came after the fight, from the sheriff’s department.
Weeks later, a boy is charged
It was on the day of the girl’s disciplinary hearing, three weeks after the fight, that the first of the boys was charged. … A second boy was charged in December [another month later] with identical charges
So a charge weeks after the fight. That’s how long investigations take. Funny timing with the disciplinary hearing, though note depending on the exact time of each we don’t know if the school board knew of the charges. Notice how the article says the same day, but they don’t say that the school board knew. Also whether we like it or not, a charge is still a charge, not a guilty verdict. And as you can see from the second boy, the investigation was still ongoing.
Note the sheriff’s departpment isn’t likely to show AI nudes to the school board themselves becase it’s part of an ongoing criminal investigation.
Dammit I messed up, you’re the guy that I have no goodwill left for because you can’t read what is written. Well this just continues to show it and now others can see it too. Out.
Stop moving the goal posts. She was punished for having been victimized. By the time she was punished, they knew she was the victim. They knew she was the victim, they had evidence that she was the victim, and they punished her anyway. The problem here is the egregious way the school has handled the entire issue, not the outstanding criminal investigation into the boy.
There. They didn’t have any proof prior to the fight.
You do need conclusive proof of the accused’s guilt to punish the accused. You do not need any evidence whatsoever to start protecting the accuser from the accused. The school could and should have either kept her off the bus, or provided adequate supervision of the two. They failed to properly supervise the two, directly leading to the fight. They forced harasser and accuser together without supervision. The fight was foreseeable; the school is responsible for it.
Second. How do you get those photos and videos (assuming it wasn’t a bus security camera which wouldn’t be able to make out the photos anyway)? You need a warrant to unlock student’s phones.
It was, indeed, a bus security camera. And you don’t need a warrant when the photographer gives you their photo. The school was in possession of this evidence prior to the disciplinary hearing where they unjustly punished her. They had this evidence, yet they punished the victim anyway.
I had several kids accuse me of having drugs, which was ridiculous. Each one more credible apparently. Good thing that’s not proof otherwise I would’ve been expelled or went to juvie or something.
Having a small amount of proof (i.e. evidence) against you isn’t enough to go to juvie, duh, but it’s enough to get the courts involved. The school handling this internally was a mistake, once child porn and sex crimes are happening it’s time to call the cops.
I thought the police were only contacted after the fight? There’s interviews where the principle says that he basically was ignoring it because “kids lie a lot” and, while some of the girls went to the police, I don’t think the school itself actually did.
No one’s phones even got confiscated at first, which absolutely should have happened before it escalated to this point.
If you only read the OP article, I think that’s a reasonable conclusion.
Read the linked AP article. They had many complaints/accusations, and corroborating photos and video from the bus available to them before they decided to suspend her, and before they sent her to the alternative school.
Which is not proof. Complaints are not proof. Accusations are not proof.
There. They didn’t have any proof prior to the fight.
First off, this is the bus ride where the fight broke out as far as I read it. So any photos and videos of events in this bus were not available prior to this bus ride.
Second. How do you get those photos and videos (assuming it wasn’t a bus security camera which wouldn’t be able to make out the photos anyway)? You need a warrant to unlock student’s phones.
The proof of AI nudes came after the fight, from the sheriff’s department.
So a charge weeks after the fight. That’s how long investigations take. Funny timing with the disciplinary hearing, though note depending on the exact time of each we don’t know if the school board knew of the charges. Notice how the article says the same day, but they don’t say that the school board knew. Also whether we like it or not, a charge is still a charge, not a guilty verdict. And as you can see from the second boy, the investigation was still ongoing.
Note the sheriff’s departpment isn’t likely to show AI nudes to the school board themselves becase it’s part of an ongoing criminal investigation.
Dammit I messed up, you’re the guy that I have no goodwill left for because you can’t read what is written. Well this just continues to show it and now others can see it too. Out.
Stop moving the goal posts. She was punished for having been victimized. By the time she was punished, they knew she was the victim. They knew she was the victim, they had evidence that she was the victim, and they punished her anyway. The problem here is the egregious way the school has handled the entire issue, not the outstanding criminal investigation into the boy.
You do need conclusive proof of the accused’s guilt to punish the accused. You do not need any evidence whatsoever to start protecting the accuser from the accused. The school could and should have either kept her off the bus, or provided adequate supervision of the two. They failed to properly supervise the two, directly leading to the fight. They forced harasser and accuser together without supervision. The fight was foreseeable; the school is responsible for it.
It was, indeed, a bus security camera. And you don’t need a warrant when the photographer gives you their photo. The school was in possession of this evidence prior to the disciplinary hearing where they unjustly punished her. They had this evidence, yet they punished the victim anyway.
Testimony literally is a form of proof, or more accurately, evidence.
Multiple people testifying the same way just means each testimony is more credible.
I had several kids accuse me of having drugs, which was ridiculous. Each one more credible apparently. Good thing that’s not proof otherwise I would’ve been expelled or went to juvie or something.
Having a small amount of proof (i.e. evidence) against you isn’t enough to go to juvie, duh, but it’s enough to get the courts involved. The school handling this internally was a mistake, once child porn and sex crimes are happening it’s time to call the cops.
Which is exactly what they did. Ok peace.
I thought the police were only contacted after the fight? There’s interviews where the principle says that he basically was ignoring it because “kids lie a lot” and, while some of the girls went to the police, I don’t think the school itself actually did.
No one’s phones even got confiscated at first, which absolutely should have happened before it escalated to this point.