Trump went from the “because you’d be in jail” guy I loved to this “letting Hillary get away with her crimes is barely scratching the surface of everything I can do to fuck the concepts of law and justice”
So what happened to my fellow supporters? I’m still here but it’s like all the others vaporized? Or I was the only one the whole time, but then why would Trump lie for my support when my one vote wasn’t gonna decide that first election?
This seems really weird
I’d argue rigging the election against Bernie was treason, but that didn’t actually seem to be what Trump was saying.
People like me would want to see Hillary in jail, but realistically expect an outcome more like “ok Hillary you can get away with it due to all your supporters and legal loopholes, but a lot of people who worked with you are going to jail and we’re closing those legal loopholes so politicians like you will start going to jail in the future”
I say “people like me” but the weird thing is it’s like I’m the only one that remembers this, when I’m pretty sure I remember there being millions of us
Well then, I’d say you don’t understand the words you’re using. While utterly detestable, that wasn’t treason. Try again.
Oof you got played hard. Not only did Clinton not do anything criminally chargeable. The DNC could have legitimately told Sanders to go pound sand and not allowed him to be a candidate. And there would have been no crime. The parties can and do set their own BS rules in their primaries.
Republicans attack on public education for the last half century payed off big in people like yourself. You still don’t realize what a fool they made of you and how much they laugh at and ridicule people like yourself behind your back. Yet you still feel more animosity to rudderless corporate Democrats than the people who used you.
To be clear all national and state level parties need to be wiped out. Democrat, Republican, etc etc. They have too much power and are too insulated to represent anyone but themselves. Change doesn’t come from the top down. If it wasn’t for ranks of sycophantic sociopath’s being cultivated for decades, and installed in offices nation wide. Trump would be a sundowning lame duck clown. As he should be. Instead, millions of ignorant Americans were duped into voting for the worst possible stewards of their interests.
You’re smoking something, might want to look at my profile more instead of making stuff up about me
Address that: what did they “make up” about you…?
That I still feel more animosity to Democrats than Trump, etc.
Based on what crimes!?! You, yourself reveal more animosity towards Clinton, who i personally can’t stand but didn’t violate any laws, while conveniently ignoring all the real fucking crimes being committed by Trump, right now.
They’re just going on what you wrote.
I would like to see Trump in federal prison for life, or worse
I would have liked to see that for Hillary in the past, but after seeing how bad Trump turned out, “jail” as in the temporary jailing during a court trial would seem fair enough for Hillary in comparison
Generally I think everyone who’s propped up the corrupt prison industry should be locked up for at least some period of time to experience what they’ve created
“We came, we saw, he died! Haha!”
Every current and former member of the US federal government should be in jail.
Lol the only thing I’m smoking is the truth. And your profile confirms it. Good day.
Incorrect but good day I guess
Stop being a ratgoof skinner.
i distinctly remember the outcome of hundreds of hours of foaming-at-the-mouth congressional conservatives desperate to charge her with anything and not being able to find a single law that was broken. policy? definitely. unfortunately thats not illegal
with the current administration not only is all policy merely decoration, but most laws also.
they and the supreme court are abusing the slow churn of government to dissolve the republic. good job, guys.
I commented elsewhere in the thread, and I hate having multiple threads with the same person, but would you mind explaining how she rigged the election against Bernie and why that is illegal?
I’m a Bernie supporter and you can see in my comment history that if anything I’m a Bernie Stan, but what “Hillary did” mostly relates to how the DNC operates. The only reason the DNC has so much influence is because of our election format which favors a two party system. The best way to resolve that is by changing how voting works (ranked choice etc) which is mostly supported by democrats not republicans. Additionally, Hillary won the popular vote. Do you not think it’s a problem that the electoral college was able to invalidate the will of the majority of the population? Is that not a more direct threat to democracy, especially as states attempt to gerrymander more?
The most illegal part was the tampering with voter registrations, but how do you prove Hillary’s actual involvement in that?
The more easily proven parts are not considered “jailable” but should be, e.g. propping up a 2 party system and constantly lying to the public about stuff like how it works and why.
But Trump didn’t seem like he would prosecute any of that, he seemed happy to keep it buried from public view. The hope was more like he would shake up the system with investigations and arrests about stuff like her emails, and people like Hillary would stop being untouchable, even if she personally avoided jail by being from before Trump’s time.
As for the popular vote, too many people just vote for whoever the people around them are voting for, and modern technology makes it too easy to reproduce. Therefore, using the popular vote would just mean whatever area gets the most population density, they’ll be in charge of everyone else until the areas split apart over disagreements.
So the question then becomes whether we should have a union, or just split apart over disagremeents. I’m conflicted on that, because I don’t want to have to deal with rednecks, but I do want to force rednecks to deal with me. They don’t let me have healthcare, but I don’t let them buy and sell slaves.
Would you be able to share a link to the information you’re referring to regarding voter registration tampering, even if it does not directly mention her?
I’m not sure what lies specifically you’re referring to about how she spoke about the 2 party system, but it seems you recognize that’s not an actual crime, so you’re probably not expecting her to be jailed over that.
There were several investigations into her, and none were able to actually substantiate anything. Here are two BBC articles: This one showing that even after they went after Clinton for it, they did not hold themselves to the same standard: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46271021
This one stating that even if it was just a her issue, it’s not going to result in jail time (emphasis mine): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-31806907
I think there’s a bit of a disconnect because Trump, even before his first term, but definitely after was clearly ok doing illegal things. Other than him saying he wanted to lock her up and that being something you wanted, did you at the time or now perceive him to be honest and someone who cares about the rule of law?
I disagree about your population density comment, but we can just leave it there since it’s more tangential.
I think it’s somewhat telling what rights you associated with the parties. Do you think you’d want to end up in the republican or democrat portion if the union split?
NY where I lived at the time appears to be the most media-covered case with the voter registrations - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/officials-investigating-why-126000-voters-were-purged-from-ny-rolls
I personally knew someone that went to vote in the primary and was told he couldn’t because they deleted his voter registration.
If “no reasonable prosecutor” would charge Hillary for mishandling classified material, that seems like it’s because everyone in the White House always does it. Hence why it would make sense to imagine Trump ultimately landing on a compromise of “you get away with it because you were before me, but we’re closing the loopholes so nobody else can get away with it again.” Instead, he seems to have just done all the same shit Hillary did, and more.
I did think Trump cared about some idea of law or order or justice back then. I still think he’s “honest” by politician standards, in the sense that he sometimes gets a kick telling the truth while leaving lies to a hint - e.g. he’ll say “carbon footprints are a hoax created by big oil” and only imply the part about how he wants you to believe that means we should burn more carbon. I still find that interesting, but not enough to forgive him turning into a less drugged version of Hitler. He still just blatantly lies plenty of other times, like any politician (he was supposed to not be one of)
I think I’d be pretty dead set on starting my own third split off place if the country did split. I find Republican and Democrat policies unlivable, so it would probably seem like an opportunity to get away. But the fight would then be trying to make sure people from red and blue land are allowed to migrate to ours while the red and blue land owners would increasingly try to lock everyone into wherever they were born