• zewm@lemmy.world
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    22 hours ago

    The problem is that that’s not what politicians want tho. Unless the have stocks in the company providing the hardware.

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      19 hours ago

      what happened with them over solar? i assume you mean photovoltaics? because Spain is fucking winning with concentrated solar thermal

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        19 hours ago

        Because there wasn’t enough mass in the system due to excess solar, during April, a wobble in solar production quickly escalated triggering a massive blackout throughout both Spain and Portugal. This lack of inertia due to few more traditional energy sources had been identified previously and the Portuguese national grid had plans to install artificial ballasts of sorts to create that inertia (plans which were delayed multiple times iirc)

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          18 hours ago

          Ah gotcha, yeh afaik that was definitely a grid failure rather than renewables failure in any form.

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            14 hours ago

            It was a grid failure triggered by a poor management of one of the problems of solar, which is NOT being produced with turbines

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              12 hours ago

              Correct me if i’m wrong, it’s been a while since i watched this grid engineer’s explanation, but my understanding was it has nothing to do with PV itself, it began with IBR misconfiguration which under “unusual circumstances” cascaded due to further grid mismanagement.

              yes the misconfigured IBR were at a PV plant, but thats where i think the media runs with the story without really communicating clearly to the public. IBR misconfiguration, even at a PV plant, is not a technical failure of PV technology itself, at all. IBR misconfiguration also effects turbine outputs with HVDC feed for example.

              where i think the story gets further jumbled is alot of the “unusual circumstances” involved issues which were traceable (under current implementations) to a renewables dominant grid state. so the news story seems to become “PV/renewables trouble”, whereas afaict in reality it’s more like “renewables dominating to unexpected levels + misconfiguration/mismanagement”.

              imo the distinction is important, it’s not a PROBLEM with PV, it’s a problem with previous assumptions about renewables capacity & grid state no longer being true, and the ways bureaucracies & their infrastructure decisions can lag behind that change.

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    20 hours ago

    This doesn’t make utilities cheaper. Utility prices are almost universally set, in one way or another, by the government. If the government wants to lower utility prices, they can do so easily by just voting.

    This ignores the issue of how we actually pay for the actual cost of utilities. That’s a whole other thing. But long story short - NO, you should not expect utility prices to come down if your government builds solar capacity.

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      19 hours ago

      can you pls explain what you mean?

      is this another way of saying ‘greed’?

      or are you making a point about energy generation, storage and distribution infrastructure?