By your line of logic, we should keep using the r-slur, racial slurs, etc
Yes i actually believe this. I’m an absolutist when it comes to this stuff, and i don’t apply this thinking in isolated instances. I have no qualms with a non-black person using the n-word—and i say this as a black person myself. Obviously, this is a fringe opinion, but it is what it is.
Rather than telling people not to be offended by homophobic language you enjoy
Why do you still follow this line of thinking? It’s not that people are offended by homophobic language, it’s that you’re looking for homophobia where there is none. That’s what i take issue with.
You aren’t referring to the literal actions, but likening real submissive actions to gay sex as a means to make the submissive actions more shameful
Refer to the quote linked above and whether you think calling someone a cunt all of a sudden makes me misogynist because it’s also a vulgar synonym for vagina
Being an absolutist in favor of slur usage is wierd, period. Slurs are phased out because it perpetuates harmful sterotypes and societal hatred towards marginalized groups. Secondly, I explained where the homophobia was. You can’t just say “nuh-uh.” Yes, calling someone a cunt is also misogynistic.
Again, you’re using emotions to make an argument. From a purely logical standpoint there should be no issue with using whatever is considered a ‘slur’ if there is no mal-intent. ‘Slurs’ are social constructs already, and I don’t believe in social constructs.
No, I’m not using emotions to make an argument, I’m talking about the systemic usage of language to passively punish those society deems “outsiders.” It doesn’t matter if you don’t believe that words have meanings and that using them conveys messages.
I can use the term ‘wigga’, and it wouldn’t nearly carry the same impact as the ‘n-word’ does. This is a social construct.
Rather than policing language, I’d rather focus on the structural factors that continue to perpetuate racial discrimination.
I’m not gonna lose my marbles over a Caucasian who uses the n-word while rapping a song that happens to contain, and I find it pretty cringe that anyone does tbh
The base and superstructure mutually reinforce each other. The base is primary, but the superstructure still has an impact on reinforcing bigotry, and part of the way that works is through language. Perpetuating bigoted language perpetuates cultural perceptions on the marginalized groups they target.
I would actually push back on that quite a bit. Institutionalized racism is sustained because capitalism creates the means through which it can remain so. You get rid of that, you get rid of the social incentives keeping racism and power structures currently used to reinforce it. No need for policing language
Capitalism does create the means by which institutionalized racism is sustained, yes. Part of those means are under the umbrella of cultural hegemony, a concept most associated with Gramsci. Language, the way we communicate, is a part of that. Using speech that isn’t at the expense of marginalized groups helps break up parts of that cultural hegemony.
Again, the words only carry meaning insofar as you ascribe it to them. The n-word, other than its dark past, means nothing on the surface. The fact that only blacks are “allowed to use it” is proof enough of this point. The idea that blacks are incapable of themselves self-perpetuating racism by their own use of the word, but somehow white people ‘can?’ seems itself racist to me.
It’s a needless social construct that should expose itself as such with the death of capitalism.
Yes i actually believe this. I’m an absolutist when it comes to this stuff, and i don’t apply this thinking in isolated instances. I have no qualms with a non-black person using the n-word—and i say this as a black person myself. Obviously, this is a fringe opinion, but it is what it is.
Why do you still follow this line of thinking? It’s not that people are offended by homophobic language, it’s that you’re looking for homophobia where there is none. That’s what i take issue with.
Refer to the quote linked above and whether you think calling someone a cunt all of a sudden makes me misogynist because it’s also a vulgar synonym for vagina
Being an absolutist in favor of slur usage is wierd, period. Slurs are phased out because it perpetuates harmful sterotypes and societal hatred towards marginalized groups. Secondly, I explained where the homophobia was. You can’t just say “nuh-uh.” Yes, calling someone a cunt is also misogynistic.
reddit.world moment
Seriously, lmao. I was genuinely caught off-guard with that one, that’s too on-the-nose.
Again, you’re using emotions to make an argument. From a purely logical standpoint there should be no issue with using whatever is considered a ‘slur’ if there is no mal-intent. ‘Slurs’ are social constructs already, and I don’t believe in social constructs.
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No, I’m not using emotions to make an argument, I’m talking about the systemic usage of language to passively punish those society deems “outsiders.” It doesn’t matter if you don’t believe that words have meanings and that using them conveys messages.
I can use the term ‘wigga’, and it wouldn’t nearly carry the same impact as the ‘n-word’ does. This is a social construct.
Rather than policing language, I’d rather focus on the structural factors that continue to perpetuate racial discrimination.
I’m not gonna lose my marbles over a Caucasian who uses the n-word while rapping a song that happens to contain, and I find it pretty cringe that anyone does tbh
The base and superstructure mutually reinforce each other. The base is primary, but the superstructure still has an impact on reinforcing bigotry, and part of the way that works is through language. Perpetuating bigoted language perpetuates cultural perceptions on the marginalized groups they target.
I would actually push back on that quite a bit. Institutionalized racism is sustained because capitalism creates the means through which it can remain so. You get rid of that, you get rid of the social incentives keeping racism and power structures currently used to reinforce it. No need for policing language
Capitalism does create the means by which institutionalized racism is sustained, yes. Part of those means are under the umbrella of cultural hegemony, a concept most associated with Gramsci. Language, the way we communicate, is a part of that. Using speech that isn’t at the expense of marginalized groups helps break up parts of that cultural hegemony.
Again, the words only carry meaning insofar as you ascribe it to them. The n-word, other than its dark past, means nothing on the surface. The fact that only blacks are “allowed to use it” is proof enough of this point. The idea that blacks are incapable of themselves self-perpetuating racism by their own use of the word, but somehow white people ‘can?’ seems itself racist to me.
It’s a needless social construct that should expose itself as such with the death of capitalism.