Sen. Bernie Sanders told CBS News he's "very disappointed" by the bill to end the government shutdown, calling a planned vote on health insurance subsidies "meaningless."
Having two parties also doesn’t work in any meaningful way. Democrats lost presidential elections to a convicted criminal and are unable to effectively use the tiny amount of power they still have. Yes, splitting Democratic vote would hand all the elections to Republicans but they ended up controlling everything anyway and people still don’t have any real alternative. Destroying and rebuilding the Democratic party from scratch would get you closer to a functioning system than trying to work withing party lines.
Bernie lost almost a decade ago. The political scene would look completely different by now (maybe some sort of joined primaries between Dems and Bernie’s party). He had a once in a lifetime chance to really change the system but chose not do do it.
Republicans have been completely aligned since Trump came into office. Democrats instead have had spoiler candidates that have almost completely ruined their plans in the Biden Admin.
We should be focused on primary-ing out the moderates and establishment candidates in the party. Yes the DNC always has the ability to shut shit down as they did in 2016 with Bernie, but if the movement is strong enough, I wager that won’t matter.
chose not do do it
Bernie got snubbed by the DNC in 2016??? Hello?
And Biden capitulated to Bernie in 2020 by adopting his policies, only later abandoning them like an asshole.
Bernie has rarely chosen at any point NOT to change the system.
I obviously meant that Bernie chose not to start a 3rd party, not that he chose not to be president.
That the Dems in general and Biden specifically had no intention of implementing any of Bernie’s policies was obvious to anyone who was paying attention. Democrats are simply a part of GOP with better PR. Their main function is to fight candidates like Bernie with “don’t split the vote” argument. It worked perfectly and now democracy in US is nearly dead.
I agree that FPTP is shit and we need something different. Most Americans are too loyal, stupid, or apathetic to care about a random 3rd party on the ballot.
We need name brand recognition with people, and you do that will the Democrats. What we also need is a coalition of progressives in the Dems that actively politick about working class issues like Bernie Sanders to counter the moderates.
My point is we’ve needed this for decades, and Dems consistently side with the donors against the working class.
We’re at a moment where both progressives and maga folk are interested in real populism. It could be enough to siphon the necessary voters for a plurality win, and I think we have a far better chance for progress with this strategy as opposed to trying to reform the corporate Dem establishment. They’re too addicted to the money, and will spend millions to crush any challenge from the left. They fight the left far harder than they fight Republican.
Why is it you think that the Dems can be successfully reformed from within , given their history?
Third party won’t work in a FPTP system.
We can pass RCV in local elections across the country, but progressive Dems need to work within the party lines to get shit done.
And he is a 3rd party: Democratic Socialist.
Having two parties also doesn’t work in any meaningful way. Democrats lost presidential elections to a convicted criminal and are unable to effectively use the tiny amount of power they still have. Yes, splitting Democratic vote would hand all the elections to Republicans but they ended up controlling everything anyway and people still don’t have any real alternative. Destroying and rebuilding the Democratic party from scratch would get you closer to a functioning system than trying to work withing party lines.
Bernie lost almost a decade ago. The political scene would look completely different by now (maybe some sort of joined primaries between Dems and Bernie’s party). He had a once in a lifetime chance to really change the system but chose not do do it.
Republicans have been completely aligned since Trump came into office. Democrats instead have had spoiler candidates that have almost completely ruined their plans in the Biden Admin.
We should be focused on primary-ing out the moderates and establishment candidates in the party. Yes the DNC always has the ability to shut shit down as they did in 2016 with Bernie, but if the movement is strong enough, I wager that won’t matter.
Bernie got snubbed by the DNC in 2016??? Hello?
And Biden capitulated to Bernie in 2020 by adopting his policies, only later abandoning them like an asshole.
Bernie has rarely chosen at any point NOT to change the system.
I obviously meant that Bernie chose not to start a 3rd party, not that he chose not to be president.
That the Dems in general and Biden specifically had no intention of implementing any of Bernie’s policies was obvious to anyone who was paying attention. Democrats are simply a part of GOP with better PR. Their main function is to fight candidates like Bernie with “don’t split the vote” argument. It worked perfectly and now democracy in US is nearly dead.
3rd party crushes the other two in FPTP with enough votes. Also, I believe Bernie is technically an “independent”
How did the Greens work out?
I agree that FPTP is shit and we need something different. Most Americans are too loyal, stupid, or apathetic to care about a random 3rd party on the ballot.
We need name brand recognition with people, and you do that will the Democrats. What we also need is a coalition of progressives in the Dems that actively politick about working class issues like Bernie Sanders to counter the moderates.
My point is we’ve needed this for decades, and Dems consistently side with the donors against the working class.
We’re at a moment where both progressives and maga folk are interested in real populism. It could be enough to siphon the necessary voters for a plurality win, and I think we have a far better chance for progress with this strategy as opposed to trying to reform the corporate Dem establishment. They’re too addicted to the money, and will spend millions to crush any challenge from the left. They fight the left far harder than they fight Republican.
Why is it you think that the Dems can be successfully reformed from within , given their history?
Because there are currently Democrats that haven’t caved to donor pressure?