Senator Jeanne Shaheen just threw the minority leader under the bus.

Senator Jeanne Shaheen revealed that Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer knew the entire time about the plan for a few Democrats to capitulate to Republicans on the government shutdown.

Shaheen, one of the seven Democrats (and one independent) who dropped their demand for a guaranteed extension of Obamacare subsidies, spoke to Fox News’s Brian Kilmeade on Monday morning.

Aside from serving as further proof that the Democrats are failing to act as an opposition party in any meaningful way, Shaheen’s comments also reveal one of two possible scenarios. Either Schumer was scheming to end the shutdown behind the scenes, only pretending to be against it while pinning the blame on the eight people who aren’t up for reelection anytime soon, or he has no control over his party. Either way, it proves the need for Democrats to jettison the minority leader.

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    Billionaires are desperate to turn people away from the Dem party, because they can’t buy the next Dem presidential primary.

    You’re pissed at Schumer? Good, he’s a giant ineffectual piece of shit

    But now that he doesn’t have a corrupt DNC behind him, his days in office are numbered. So are the rest of the neoliberals and especially the ones who voted with republicans.

    Don’t blame the party for what single digit number of assholes did. And definitely don’t leave the party by refusing to vote in Dem primaries.

    Even if there’s nothing that could ever make you vote D in the general again, vote in every D primary and pull them left as hard as you can.

    The only way neoliberals get the DNC back, is if people don’t vote in the next Dem presidential primary, a neoliberal squeaks thru, and if they become president, they name a neoliberal chair.

    And neoliberals aren’t above sabotaging the Dem party to get the reins back.

    It like the buy/sell ads for gold…

    When billionaire owned media shits on the Dem party, it means the DNC is against billionaires.

    When billionaire owned media supports the Dem party, it’s because they own it

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      THE DNC DOES NOT WANT TO OPPOSE THE GOP

      Otherwise they would have their canidates oppose them in a meaningful way. They wouldn’t support right wing ideologies.

      ffs

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        Because Martin has a decade long track record of running fair primaries and putting 100% effort behind anyone who makes it to the general…

        Like, you don’t have to put faith in Ken Martin, I’m sure as fuck never going to use “faith” to influence my politics.

        But he’s a known variable. There is zero indication he’s going to act like the prior corrupt chairs (Tim Kaine who voted with republicans here was literally one of the corrupt chairs tho).

        Especially since their power came from controlling the purse strings to state parties, and Martin is freely giving that power away by giving the money back to state parties, and has been for months.

        I’m confident he won’t weild the DNC as a club, because he’s whittling it back down into the pencil it was always meant to be. Even if he does a 180 and the chair corrupts him, he wouldnt be able to do what prior chairs were doing.

        If Martin starts fucking up, and you stay on Lemmy, I’m almost positive I’ll be the first one you hear it from. This shit is too important for blind loyalty to anyone. The second he starts fucking around, I’m gonna be bitching about it.

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          Personally I’ve been assuming that the DNC is the same as the one that screwed Bernie in 2016. If that’s not so then its really important to make that a news item. This current fiasco is going to make people want to abandon the Democrats as a rallying point.

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            “I took this job to fight Republicans, not Democrats,” he added. “As I said when I was elected, our fight is not within the Democratic Party, our fight is and has to be solely focused on Donald Trump and the disastrous Republican agenda. That’s the work that I will continue to do every day.”

            It’s the same DNC. Ken Martin has committed to not doing anything internally and only focusing externally on Trump. We will have to see how this bold strategy plays out again.

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            I’ve been assuming that the DNC is the same as the one that screwed Bernie in 2016

            That makes zero logical sense tho…

            The DNC is the chair, the chair is the DNC. They have complete power and zero rails. In 2016 only the chair knew that Hillary was paying the DNC bills and in return she had final say over anything the DNC did.

            If that’s not so then its really important to make that a news item.

            If you’re waiting for billionaire owned media to tell you that billionaires lost the fight over the DNC…

            You’re always going to be waiting.

            If you’re waiting for non-billionaire owned media…

            Well, I don’t know why you’re still waiting:

            https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/dnc-chair-on-the-path-to-winning-back-voters-and-lessons-democrats-can-learn-from-mamdani

            https://democrats.org/news/dnc-and-asdc-announces-organize-everywhere-win-anywhere-strategy-largest-ever-monthly-dnc-investment-into-democratic-state-and-territory-parties/

            This current fiasco is going to make people want to abandon the Democrats as a rallying point.

            Yes. That’s literally what I’m saying… That is the result they want.

            The few Dems in office doing this, are doing it to turn people against the party, because the neoliberals only shot at winning the next presidential primary, is if most Dem voters don’t vote in it.

            Even if it means republicans winning the general, they’d prefer that to a progressive becoming president. If that happens, the neoliberals will never get power again.

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              Did the billionaires really lose the fight over the DNC? I remain unconvinced because of these linked articles. No I’m not waiting for billionaire media to convince me or anyone. I’m not an idiot.

              I’m saying if its the case that the DNC is trustworthy and not actually rooting for Schumer’s surrender monkey tactics, its important that that is communicated somehow to voters. But an interview or press release is not going to cut it. How about they provide evidence by taking some action, like cutting Schumer and the rest off from campaign funds? Or something.

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                I’m saying if its the case that the DNC

                Stop thinking of it as “the DNC”.

                It’s whoever the chair is. It’s a fucked system and we need to fix, but that’s the reality of it.

                Like, in 2021 when Biden took office, did you think “the president was a Russian puppet, he’s still a Russian puppet!”

                Even tho Donald Trump and Joe Biden are completely different people? Because that’s literally what you’re doing here.

                Martin ran Minnesota’s state Dem party for a decade. Right up till the day he became DNC chair. He has a very long and documented history there, and under his leadership it went from purple to home of some of our most progressive politicians.

                If he’s a biased neoliberal, he’s so incompetent that it doesn’t matter.

                Either way, we need to push for as many people as possible to vote in the Dem primary. Because the more people vote in the primary, the further left the candidate is

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      Its not single digit. If 8 guys sold out there are way more behind them.

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        Oh, we need to clean house…

        We need a competitive primary for every office, every election.

        With no favoritism towards an incumbent, just because they’re already there.

        Primaries only hurt weak candidates, because they’re already weak candidates. And weak candidates can’t win a fair primary.

        So we’re all better off if they lose in the primary so a Dem can still win the general.

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      Oh it’s another givesomefucks pro-Ken Martin comment.

      Ken Martin is not an anti-establishment DNC chair, he is a continuation of their same policy. He is in his own words happy to take money from ‘good billionaires’ - those same influential donors who run the party.

      When billionaires pay for the party, it means the DNC is for billionaires.

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      I generally agree, but part of the reason Schumer can’t whip votes is that he no longer controls the DNC.

      He can’t direct DNC money towards the candidates that vote the way he wants, and he can’t direct money to their opponents to punish them when they break ranks.

      I think this would be good for democracy, in the same way that anti-gerrymandering laws are good for democracy. … You know, except when.

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      This is exactly it. I don’t think people understand how thick it is with the right trolling the left. Trolling is kind of an innocent word for it, because it has really shitty consequences.

      If you’re skeptical, notice how when the right does something evil, outlandish and cruel, that there will be unnaturally quick upvoted comments going after the dems and blaming them. This isn’t a coincidence.