Oh, he’ll be moderate, you think? Good luck with that. You think they pulled him out of a time machine from the 70s? They didn’t. He’s a product of the current political situation, he’s PART of the current political situation, he’s in the same orbits as all these people and he’s got the same people orbiting around him. If you think he’s going to move things back to the center I don’t think you understand how broken things really are. They’ve been broken for a long time, and they’re not broken in a repairable way. He’s not your champion, he’s not going to save you. You think voting for him represents “trying” to fix the problems but you’re just being led astray by organizations and powers that don’t give a fuck about any of us and are not motivated by anything we care about.
But compared to the shit show we have now… unless we get a progressive in there, what other choice do we have? Not voting? Going third party so that Repugs win again?
I don’t accept the premise that he is progressive in any meaningful way but you’re entitled to your opinion.
What other choice will there be in the next election? I don’t know, it’s too early to say. Maybe there won’t be another choice, but I think there will be plenty of interesting choices, which one is ideal is again much too early to call and you’re right we probably won’t achieve the ideal.
All I’m trying to say is, don’t trust him, and whatever ends up happening, whether he’s elected or not, don’t stop there. Job not done. He’s not going to fix this, he’s not a solution. More work needs to be done, so much more, by all of us. People need to learn civic responsibility again and start to participate in the democratic process beyond just showing up to vote. That means education, starting by educating ourselves first, which isn’t easy and it is being made harder every day. Then we can start to make progress towards unifying people, finding common ground, finding the things we can at least all agree on even if we don’t agree with the best way to do them, and starting to undo the merciless division that has been done to us. That also means outreach, that means activism, that means organizing, that means finding ways to change the system. Not all of them will be pretty. It might mean civil disobedience. It might mean violence. It might mean civil war. I don’t have a crystal ball to see what the future holds, all I know is that everyone who cares about the future of democracy in any way, shape, form or place, needs to start adjusting to the now hopefully clearly evident reality; it is not a given, we need to fight for it, and fight with everything we have, because there is clearly a lot stacked against us. But it does not mean we cannot win. In fact we must win, eventually. There is no other choice.
You may have misunderstood my last comment. I don’t think Newsom is progressive by any means. I always vote for the progressive candidates in the primary. And in the general, I’ll vote Democrat and whatever progressive propositions.
I just don’t think Kamala can win because people are sexist/racist… and she is pretty much the same moderate vision.
Stop fucking acting like newsom has already won the primary for starters. Also maybe don’t make people that have been targeted by newsom feel like they will still be under the boot if you dont want the dems to loose again.
Oh, he’ll be moderate, you think? Good luck with that. You think they pulled him out of a time machine from the 70s? They didn’t. He’s a product of the current political situation, he’s PART of the current political situation, he’s in the same orbits as all these people and he’s got the same people orbiting around him. If you think he’s going to move things back to the center I don’t think you understand how broken things really are. They’ve been broken for a long time, and they’re not broken in a repairable way. He’s not your champion, he’s not going to save you. You think voting for him represents “trying” to fix the problems but you’re just being led astray by organizations and powers that don’t give a fuck about any of us and are not motivated by anything we care about.
Okay, well you can vote for Vance then.
I understand what he is.
But compared to the shit show we have now… unless we get a progressive in there, what other choice do we have? Not voting? Going third party so that Repugs win again?
I don’t accept the premise that he is progressive in any meaningful way but you’re entitled to your opinion.
What other choice will there be in the next election? I don’t know, it’s too early to say. Maybe there won’t be another choice, but I think there will be plenty of interesting choices, which one is ideal is again much too early to call and you’re right we probably won’t achieve the ideal.
All I’m trying to say is, don’t trust him, and whatever ends up happening, whether he’s elected or not, don’t stop there. Job not done. He’s not going to fix this, he’s not a solution. More work needs to be done, so much more, by all of us. People need to learn civic responsibility again and start to participate in the democratic process beyond just showing up to vote. That means education, starting by educating ourselves first, which isn’t easy and it is being made harder every day. Then we can start to make progress towards unifying people, finding common ground, finding the things we can at least all agree on even if we don’t agree with the best way to do them, and starting to undo the merciless division that has been done to us. That also means outreach, that means activism, that means organizing, that means finding ways to change the system. Not all of them will be pretty. It might mean civil disobedience. It might mean violence. It might mean civil war. I don’t have a crystal ball to see what the future holds, all I know is that everyone who cares about the future of democracy in any way, shape, form or place, needs to start adjusting to the now hopefully clearly evident reality; it is not a given, we need to fight for it, and fight with everything we have, because there is clearly a lot stacked against us. But it does not mean we cannot win. In fact we must win, eventually. There is no other choice.
You may have misunderstood my last comment. I don’t think Newsom is progressive by any means. I always vote for the progressive candidates in the primary. And in the general, I’ll vote Democrat and whatever progressive propositions.
I just don’t think Kamala can win because people are sexist/racist… and she is pretty much the same moderate vision.
I think I did misunderstand then, sorry. At least I’ve hopefully made my position clear.
Stop fucking acting like newsom has already won the primary for starters. Also maybe don’t make people that have been targeted by newsom feel like they will still be under the boot if you dont want the dems to loose again.
Did you respond to the wrong message? They never did that.
*lose
So no actual response? People like you are the reason dems keep losing.