Some folks think you just gotta love every country that calls itself communist, or voices opposition to the US, like a fun house mirror version of conservative nativism.
That’s not true, though. You won’t find any support for thr Shining Path of Peru or Pol Pot and thr Khmer Rouge here, for example, even though they called themselves communists and voiced opposition to the US. The fact is, the groups communists support are more nuanced than that simple binary, and trying to forcd that nuance into a binary just dodges any need to look into why communists actually support socialist states.
Yeah that’s cool. Which is part of why I don’t get why North Korea gets any fucking love. I mean, times are hard for everyone I’m sure but aesthetics aside they don’t seem any more “socialist” than the “national” socialists. Even in all the dubious circumstances where a communist country had a presidential effectively served for the length of his natural life, aside from a brief interlude by Raul Castro none that I can recall have shown dynastic tendencies.
The DPRK is socialist, public ownership is the principle aspect of its economy. It’s no utopia, but it’s far from the dystopian hellworld the western media makes it out to be. It’s entirely different from the Khmer Rouge and Shining Path. Additionally, socialist countries haven’t been “dynasties.”
Okay cool.
So I’m sure there’s good evidence somewhere that that NK isn’t a cult of personality built around eternal president Kim Il Sung and the Kim family.
Nodutdol, an anti-imperialist group of Korean ex-pats, released a toolkit for better understanding the ROK and DPRK, as well as Japanese colonization and the US Empire’s role. There’s good resources there for beginners. Kim Il Sung is highly revered, and the Kim family is respected and loved. It isn’t a “cult of personality,” though, that’s a misframing of how the DPRK functions.
Honestly this description is sorta spot on made me chuckle— I’m always on the fence whether it’s this or just nation states trying to sway popular opinion.
It’s neither. As I said to the other person, communists don’t support, say, the Shining Path of Peru, or Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. Communists support socialist states, as well as anti-imperialist states, based on their actual real merits.
I’ve seen some of your posts and comments and they are nuanced. However I take a slightly issue with “Communists support”. This is the internet, there are many voices, so while I don’t think you’re one of these people, they do exist, and they deserve being made fun of.
The people who “love every country that calls itself communist, or voices opposition to the US” don’t really exist. MLMs that support Gonzalo and Pol Pot are fringe, and moreover don’t support China, Vietnam, Cuba, etc. When I say “communists support,” I am aware that there are outliers, but the idea that people on Lemmy in any significant number have views akin to what’s described here is false.
Some folks think you just gotta love every country that calls itself communist, or voices opposition to the US, like a fun house mirror version of conservative nativism.
That’s not true, though. You won’t find any support for thr Shining Path of Peru or Pol Pot and thr Khmer Rouge here, for example, even though they called themselves communists and voiced opposition to the US. The fact is, the groups communists support are more nuanced than that simple binary, and trying to forcd that nuance into a binary just dodges any need to look into why communists actually support socialist states.
Yeah that’s cool. Which is part of why I don’t get why North Korea gets any fucking love. I mean, times are hard for everyone I’m sure but aesthetics aside they don’t seem any more “socialist” than the “national” socialists. Even in all the dubious circumstances where a communist country had a presidential effectively served for the length of his natural life, aside from a brief interlude by Raul Castro none that I can recall have shown dynastic tendencies.
The DPRK is socialist, public ownership is the principle aspect of its economy. It’s no utopia, but it’s far from the dystopian hellworld the western media makes it out to be. It’s entirely different from the Khmer Rouge and Shining Path. Additionally, socialist countries haven’t been “dynasties.”
Okay cool. So I’m sure there’s good evidence somewhere that that NK isn’t a cult of personality built around eternal president Kim Il Sung and the Kim family.
I’m here for it. Lay it on me.
Nodutdol, an anti-imperialist group of Korean ex-pats, released a toolkit for better understanding the ROK and DPRK, as well as Japanese colonization and the US Empire’s role. There’s good resources there for beginners. Kim Il Sung is highly revered, and the Kim family is respected and loved. It isn’t a “cult of personality,” though, that’s a misframing of how the DPRK functions.
Honestly this description is sorta spot on made me chuckle— I’m always on the fence whether it’s this or just nation states trying to sway popular opinion.
It’s neither. As I said to the other person, communists don’t support, say, the Shining Path of Peru, or Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. Communists support socialist states, as well as anti-imperialist states, based on their actual real merits.
I’ve seen some of your posts and comments and they are nuanced. However I take a slightly issue with “Communists support”. This is the internet, there are many voices, so while I don’t think you’re one of these people, they do exist, and they deserve being made fun of.
The people who “love every country that calls itself communist, or voices opposition to the US” don’t really exist. MLMs that support Gonzalo and Pol Pot are fringe, and moreover don’t support China, Vietnam, Cuba, etc. When I say “communists support,” I am aware that there are outliers, but the idea that people on Lemmy in any significant number have views akin to what’s described here is false.