“It appears … that multiple employees at the Department of Justice may have violated Local Criminal Rule 23.1, and this Court’s order of April 25, 2025 specifically identifying the strictures of this rule,” U.S. District Judge Margaret M. Garnett wrote in her order on September 24 in response to the letter.

The rule stipulates that “non-lawyer personnel employed by a lawyer’s office or subject to a lawyer’s supervision” in a criminal case have a duty not to release an “opinion that a reasonable person would expect to be disseminated by means of public communication” if there is a chance that the opinion will “interfere with a fair trial or otherwise prejudice the due administration of justice.”

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    There’s an incredibly strong chance, even without the stuff they’ve been saying.

    They panicked and used every illegal means to identify and apprehend, because of who was killed.

    He’s from a decently wealthy family, and has a shit ton in legal funds donated. And the government is full of people who don’t know what they’re doing. The prosecution will have bad strategies and implement them terribly.

    If trump tries to influence to hard, it’s liable to cause riots and damn near every American supports Luigi.

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      The more time passes and seeing the fuckery of the prosecution the more I think he actually innocent. If he was guilty and the case was a slam dunk, they wouldn’t need that kind of bullshit.

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      Riots? I highly doubt that. Most people are in the “I ain’t saying I agree with it, but I get it” camp.

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        If he gets off on a technicality and trump says fuck it and locks him up or even executes him anyway…

        There’d 100% be riots.

        Because there would be peaceful protesters, and cops would instigate violence, likely on direct order from Adams/trump

        Don’t forget about how the NYC mayor is an ex cop who stopped being a Dem and is trying to pivot maga.

        Shit is not going to end well.

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          Trump deported people without a trial, threatens the press, protected pedophiles and all that happened was people said mean things. Do you REALLY believe that there would be riots over sending one single person who may have actually killed someone?

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            Do you REALLY believe that there would be riots

            Yeah…

            That’s why I said it explicitly and further elaborated…

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              It was a rhetorical question. I wasn’t really expecting a yes or no answer. The cops have already instigated violence and still nothing happens. Nothing ever happens. Not just the US. Everyone holds any semblance of hope until the very last moment. I think the riots will come when / if he skips elections. Until then, peoe will not want to risk their lives for something they hope can just go away when the term ends

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        And the reason you believe this is because there is no online platform where you can say “I support this” without getting permabanned.

        I’m not saying you aren’t coming across this a lot, but stop and consider the fact that it’s the most extreme opinion Americans are allowed to have online.

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          Correct. I got banned from Reddit for saying it was technically self defense and that he was also defending the populace from a mass murderer.

          Well, I did post stuff like that and “eat the rich” a lot. Regardless … the powers that be are scared that this happened. If this gets nullified it could mean an open hunting season on unethical CEOs.

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      You assume they have the right guy which they don’t, they’re framing him so it does not look like someone got away with it. The pictures from the crime scene do not match him.

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        You’re assuming they only have pictures and publicly available information…

        I’m saying the NYPD and Feds can identify anyone in NYC and track all their movements, thru means they’re not legally able to utilize at that wide of scale, but they do.

        This article is from 2021:

        https://www.wired.com/story/all-seeing-eyes-new-york-15000-surveillance-cameras/

        But they were already running facial recognition on everyone walking down streets, you think they’ve eased off with Eric Adams running the show?

        You think the NYPD doesn’t have permanent sting rays installed and log everyone by cell phone?

        That’s the entire point of my comment, that if they say how they know it’s Luigi, it’s going to be a Snowden level revelation about government surveillance in one of the largest cities on the planet.

        Most presidential administrations would be smart enough not to let the public know about that, especially in a scenario where the public is on the accused side to this extent.

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          They are nowhere near to having it that much together at the moment with the facial recognition and bullshit.

          Mangione is not the guy that did this. Facial recognition is far from perfect. And cops lie. You should presume everything they say about anything is lie which it is.

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            I can’t speak to whether they have the right guy or not, but it certainly seems like they only had illegally obtained data suggesting it was him, and then decided to arrest him anyway by planting some stuff in his backpack. So far they haven’t disclosed any admissible evidence, considering the backpack broke chain of custody.

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              That is what I am saying too when they came out everything they said was bullshit. A Manifesto, somebody writing about how health insurance sucks after health insurance executive gets popped? A gun consistent with the ability to fire a 9 mm bullet? There are are more of those in the United States than mangione’s age and demographic group. The pictures from the scene do not mark match up. What else some fighting a candy wrapper or is something that could have been planted after the fact. If they had real evidence they would have condemned him and public opinion right away.

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            Also around half of murders in NYC are solved (by that it means someone was arrested and charged, not necessarily convicted). Despite this widespread video surveillance. It makes me wonder what is the point of all that if their crime resolution rate is that low.