Are these correlations actually indicative of mass closeted homosexuality in the maga Christian sect? It’s fun to believe that’s what it is but I have met a LOT of maga/far right homophobe types and it seems like a stretch to believe that a significant number of these people are secretly gay.
I mean sure, sometimes I feel like that narrative is blown out of proportion. But maybe I’m wrong. It’s more fun to think that’s how it is though, for sure.
And yet, so often, the loudest anti-LGBTQ voices turn out to be gay, and the loudest protect the children voices turn out to be kiddie diddlers or CSAM producers or hoarders. Often, where there is smoke there is fire and Republicans do a lot of smoking.
If you are confident with your sexuality, why would it bother you what others do? It is not like it can switch who you are attracted to.
The only exception I see are the people who got convinced that gays can influence that their kids will be gays. That’s a bit harder to convince it is a bullshit.
You don’t understand: teh gays are just cooler than straight people, so the kids are powerless against their ‘rizz,’ and boring straights can’t hope to compete.
This is especially crazy thinking in places where being gay is hell (in some especially bad ones even punishable by death). If it was a choice, why would someone willingly choose that, when being straight is so much easier.
That IS how some people think it works, which is why conversion therapy gets pushed. I appreciate that you were joking but it would be lost on anyone you’re actually talking about.
Every time my mom is transphobic, she says something that makes you think 🥚. Last time was talking about how bad female fat distribution is and how she’d like to take T.
Female fat distribution is much healthier than male fat distribution. There are a few reasons why women live longer on average, and this is one of them.
Interesting. I have no context for that, but that doesn’t mean you’re wrong or that I don’t think your claim is credible by any means. It’s entirely possible that I’m wrong and the closeted gay Republican is as large and ridiculous of an issue as it appears to be.
It’s a story that pops up every time the RNC gathers. Here’s one from 2016, and another from 2024. It’s definitely not just some unsubstantiated rumor.
No, a lot of them really are, it isn’t complicated.
Repress sexuality, sexual expression, codify a rigid set of norms around it?
It thus becomes fetishized, and this must also be a secret, because you essentially lose all your face, your social status, respectability, as s conservative, if you are outed.
We think it is ridiculous they are hypocrites.
They all know they are in the company of hypocrites, what they do not like is the tearing of the veil, the decomposition of the masquerade.
If it needs to be stated: I grew up in this culture and had to actively flee from it.
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Also, this is why conservatives associate trans people and homosexuals with pedophilia.
To them, it all falls into one bucket of forbidden faux pas. It is all heresy, it is all sin, all perversion, differentiation is largely unimportant, in fact even attempting to make the differentiation explicit is often viewed as a sin.
Of course, again, this makes all of this into secret fetishes, which the power hierarchy of their culture will nearly always orient itself in such a manner to protect the power structure itself, very often by supressing reporting or punishment for say, being an active pedophile or rapist, be this in the context of a family, or a wholr chuch body, whatever.
Its all there when you look under the curtains, but their whole thing is worshipping the curtains, the conformity.
Psychosexuality is the root of almost all politics, prove me wrong lol.
I’m sorry to be the one ruining the fun. The graph is from down detector. A website where people “report” than a site or service is down.
I’m pretty sure at this point people just report grindr being down in any republican reunion just for giggles. During Eurovision and other promient gay friendly events that grindr is put under great stress haven’t go down in my experience. I doubt a dude funerals is going to make it.
That doesn’t take from a lot of republicans being closeted gay. But I’m almost certain on the troll factor being big here.
Yeah. It’s honestly probably a little bit of that, a little bit that the closeted gay Republican theory holds water, and a little bit of the loghouse republicans in there.
It’s literally just a massive event causing infrastructure problems. You’d see the same downtime for other similar services at the same time. I don’t know why this meme keeps coming up.
It’s like saying I couldn’t charge my vibrating anal sex toy because my power went out. The Republicans at the convention must be all charging their own vibrating anal sex toys and taking all the power.
Its also kinda homophobic in the “the gays are self hating” kind of way. Yes. There are closeted gay Republicans. But it’s not a meaningful number to matter.
These memes just make liberals look dumb for not understanding how infrastructure works. Fuck Charlie Kirk and the Republicans. But this shit is just dumb.
Servers are not some independent resource. Heavy pressure on internet infrastructure will cause downtime or latency issues on servers even if they aren’t the ones being used directly.
Some services will work better than others as they are designed to handle spikes. Grindr likely doesn’t invest in that as it doesn’t profit them to do so. The opportunity cost aren’t worth it. Uber on the other hand would as spike pricing benefits them heavily. So they likely have server allocation to handle high demand (which takes resources from other services even more).
TLDR: Internet infrastructure is complicated and it’s not some directly allocated resource. Grindr having outages does not directly mean that Grindr is the application with high demand.
You went on a very long and winding road to defend your assumption that republicans don’t have a significant closeted bi component, which is the obvious and correct conclusion from the data. Why wouldn’t Republicans be closeted bi people? Is being a nasty hater really specifically a straight thing? Are all bi people sweetness and light?
Imagine you were brought up to hate yourself for wanting sex with men and learned that the “right” thing to do is “choose” to suppress it? Wouldn’t you be jealous of or angry with men who broke the rules and were out and facing no consequences, when you’ve had to deal with so much shit?
It might be the correct conclusion. But it’s definitely not related to the data at all. Again, my post is about server infrastructure and why literally countless other websites experienced the same issues in that location during the event.
This is cherry picking data and assuming ignorance of how internet usage spikes cause downtime in ALL internet services.
You don’t need bad data like this to confirm that Republicans have closeted gay men. There are countless other ways we know this.
You’re trying to project a likely true statement onto data that does not mean what you think it means.
It’s why all of the replies I’ve had have been about closeted gay/bi people in the Republican party and have addressed nothing about the main point of my comment: internet infrastructure.
I never denied anything you’re saying here. I mostly agree with it. But I’m autistic and have to explain why this outage map is meaningless. It’s a perfect example of correlation not meaning causation.
If you trawl large numbers of pairs of data sets for correlation, you will inevitably find some which have a low probability of being that strongly correlated, just as if you randomly survey large numbers of people their age, eventually you will find individuals who are “surprisingly old” or “surprisingly tall”.
This kind of fallacy is best avoided by testing only hypotheses that you have a plausible cause and effect scenario. In the case of GOP gatherings, there are a lot of men who plausibly would want to hide their sexuality so do not want their liberal neighbours or colleagues to see a grindr profile pop up where suspicion could fall on them, and who therefore see being away from home as an opportunity to engage in more anonymous man on man sex.
So with a reasonable hypothesis, it’s then reasonable to all of the data supports it. It does. It’s by no means proof, by this isn’t a court of law.
G causes R. Not possible.
It takes days to arrange a large event, so the GOP cannot respond to Grindr outages by rushing to hold a convention in that location, amusing though the idea is.
R causes G.
Highly plausible, as discussed.
Some third factor A causes both R and G.
This is like the correlation between hand size and foot size which is particularly strong if you only include children. (A here is age and hormonal changes over years.) I can’t think of anything that would cause both Republican events and Grindr outages.
I think it’s fair to conclude that R causes G here.
This is a perfect example of someone using statistics to come to a bad conclusion.
The problem is that you don’t understand internet infrastructure. You’re coming to a false conclusion because you are assuming something to be true that isn’t. So you are starting from a faulty premise. All reasoning can be sound afterwards and still give you the wrong answer.
You are assuming that internet website’s and apps have outages independent of one another. That a site “going down” is only caused by the servers being overwhelmed with traffic that is directly requesting interaction with that one specific server.
And this is just not true in the slightest. Even for “self hosted” websites. Internet infrastructure (especially in America with no net neutrality) is heavily dependent on the ISP prioritizing some packets over other packets. It is an extremely priority driven system that is far too complex to come to conclusions on with this single chart showing USER REPORTS (another unreliable factor) of outages.
So you can ChatGPT me all the responses you like. But you still haven’t addressed this very simple point: A WEBSITE DOES NOT EXPERIENCE OUTAGES ONLY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE USING THAT SPECIFIC WEBSITE A LOT. Your grandmas art website can experience outages because of high usage in the same area.
Like I said. That same day and location websites and apps of all kinds experienced outages due to the spike in traffic from the event. Unless you have ISP data (you don’t), showing which servers were causing the largest spike in usage, you can’t come to the conclusion you are coming to.
You’re trying really hard to prove something. So you are making an assumption and keep ignoring that you are in your replies.
I’m simply saying: there is not enough data to come to a conclusion one way or the other. We have no idea if Grindr went had outages due to Republicans using the it a lot OR if because Republicans just just caused a spike in Internet usage that made the connection to Grindr unreliable.
And given the statistics of gay/bi men being 5% of the total population. Its really heavily weighted in favor of the 95% of other people just using the internet a lot. Well, 100%, because gay/bi men also use the internet for non Grindr related stuff.
Yes, A WEBSITE CAN EXPERIENCE OUTAGES WHEN PEOPLE ARE USING THAT SPECIFIC WEBSITE A LOT because otherwise DDOS wouldn’t be effective.
I.e. your “DOES NOT” is incorrect.
In future, try not to lecture people with computer science degrees that it’s impossible for websites to be brought down by spikes in demand.
Also your assertion that I’m using an LLM to talk on social media without checking my post history on just how unreliable I think it is is foolish, and of course another example of you being incorrect. Did you not think that other people are capable of knowing anything? Weird. Do I even sound remotely like an LLM? Or did you think that only LLMs are capable of enumerating and numbering logical possibilities for correlations?! Not everyone is incapable of independent thought or structuring an argument. Where did you think LLMs learned it from?
And if, as you repeatedly insist, it must have been that all internet infrastructure was down, the headline (at last somewhere) would be “GOP event crashes the internet”, not “GOP event crashes grindr, again”.
GOP events keep crashing grindr. Your long and convoluted arguments that this couldn’t possibly have happened specifically to grindr are incorrect, and your insistent rejection of the obvious explanation that closeted Republicans got the chance for some consequence free sex for once is irrational and biased.
You really are falling at the occam’s razor thing. Like, properly badly.
Holy shit. I’m done reading your replies. It’s like you can’t read.
I never said a website can’t go down due to high demand. I said it’s not the ONLY way it goes down. Holy shit reading comprehension and reasoning are not your strong suite.
Maybe you should stick with ChatGPT replies. (That was a joke and an insult. Because you sound like a lifeless robot. It wasn’t an actual assertion).
Run out of rational points, resorting to a raft of insults.
You’re still missing a reason to dismiss the obvious cause for the correlation. I did explain that a couple of posts ago, but instead of addressing any of t the points or the logic of the argument, you just claimed I didn’t author it myself, which isn’t much of an argument even if it were true, which it is not.
You’re missing any news whatsoever that any other websites went down, so as I warned you I would, I call BULLSHIT on the whole infrastructure all went down, all internet services were affected nonsense you invented without a shred of evidence.
Why on earth are you trying so hard and for so long to resist admitting that it’s highly likely that grindr goes down at big GOP events because gay or bi Republicans are far more likely to be closeted and being away from home is their best chance all year round for some man on man sex while their location is some anonymous and deniable hotel room?
Everyone goes back to their hotels at the same time after the big Republican gathering and all the spike logs on to grindr. Like the British electricity spike in the ad break in the nation’s favourite non-BBC soap opera, there’s a grindr spike for big Republican events. The British electricity spike is daily and the energy generating companies are very prepared for it every evening. The Republican grindr spike is much rarer and changes time and location, so grindr isn’t ready for it.
For about the fourth time, use Occam’s razor.
It’s the secret Republican gay sex spike that keeps crashing grindr.
Are these correlations actually indicative of mass closeted homosexuality in the maga Christian sect? It’s fun to believe that’s what it is but I have met a LOT of maga/far right homophobe types and it seems like a stretch to believe that a significant number of these people are secretly gay.
Lots of homophobes are closeted, self-loathing gays.
I mean sure, sometimes I feel like that narrative is blown out of proportion. But maybe I’m wrong. It’s more fun to think that’s how it is though, for sure.
And yet, so often, the loudest anti-LGBTQ voices turn out to be gay, and the loudest protect the children voices turn out to be kiddie diddlers or CSAM producers or hoarders. Often, where there is smoke there is fire and Republicans do a lot of smoking.
True.
Smoking poles.
If you are confident with your sexuality, why would it bother you what others do? It is not like it can switch who you are attracted to.
The only exception I see are the people who got convinced that gays can influence that their kids will be gays. That’s a bit harder to convince it is a bullshit.
if that’s how it works, then just influence your kid to be straight again, “problem” solved.
You don’t understand: teh gays are just cooler than straight people, so the kids are powerless against their ‘rizz,’ and boring straights can’t hope to compete.
That’s so funny, I’ve never heard it put like that but that’s exactly what a lot of them think.
This is especially crazy thinking in places where being gay is hell (in some especially bad ones even punishable by death). If it was a choice, why would someone willingly choose that, when being straight is so much easier.
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That IS how some people think it works, which is why conversion therapy gets pushed. I appreciate that you were joking but it would be lost on anyone you’re actually talking about.
Yeah, your logic follows. Maybe I’m wrong.
Every time my mom is transphobic, she says something that makes you think 🥚. Last time was talking about how bad female fat distribution is and how she’d like to take T.
Female fat distribution is much healthier than male fat distribution. There are a few reasons why women live longer on average, and this is one of them.
I wouldn’t care if its less healthy. I don’t that matters enough to even factor into the question.
That’s all fine. It was a random fact, I didn’t mean much by it.
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How else can you explain the phenomenon in the headline? It’s genuinely not the first time a large GOP event crashed grindr.
Self-loathing bisexuals.
“If I can choose not to be gay, so can you.”
Yes, yes they are. Through a friend I know a few trans and gay sex workers, and they make a killing every year at the RNC.
They should look into how much they could make through blackmail
Interesting. I have no context for that, but that doesn’t mean you’re wrong or that I don’t think your claim is credible by any means. It’s entirely possible that I’m wrong and the closeted gay Republican is as large and ridiculous of an issue as it appears to be.
It’s a story that pops up every time the RNC gathers. Here’s one from 2016, and another from 2024. It’s definitely not just some unsubstantiated rumor.
No, a lot of them really are, it isn’t complicated.
Repress sexuality, sexual expression, codify a rigid set of norms around it?
It thus becomes fetishized, and this must also be a secret, because you essentially lose all your face, your social status, respectability, as s conservative, if you are outed.
We think it is ridiculous they are hypocrites.
They all know they are in the company of hypocrites, what they do not like is the tearing of the veil, the decomposition of the masquerade.
If it needs to be stated: I grew up in this culture and had to actively flee from it.
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Also, this is why conservatives associate trans people and homosexuals with pedophilia.
To them, it all falls into one bucket of forbidden faux pas. It is all heresy, it is all sin, all perversion, differentiation is largely unimportant, in fact even attempting to make the differentiation explicit is often viewed as a sin.
Of course, again, this makes all of this into secret fetishes, which the power hierarchy of their culture will nearly always orient itself in such a manner to protect the power structure itself, very often by supressing reporting or punishment for say, being an active pedophile or rapist, be this in the context of a family, or a wholr chuch body, whatever.
Its all there when you look under the curtains, but their whole thing is worshipping the curtains, the conformity.
Psychosexuality is the root of almost all politics, prove me wrong lol.
It’s like the old joke - what does one Mormon say to the other in the liquor store? Absolutely NOTHING.
LOL omg, I managed to not grow up Mormon but I certainly knew many of them, holy shit thats amazing, ahahahah!
Nah, you’re right.
I’m sorry to be the one ruining the fun. The graph is from down detector. A website where people “report” than a site or service is down.
I’m pretty sure at this point people just report grindr being down in any republican reunion just for giggles. During Eurovision and other promient gay friendly events that grindr is put under great stress haven’t go down in my experience. I doubt a dude funerals is going to make it.
That doesn’t take from a lot of republicans being closeted gay. But I’m almost certain on the troll factor being big here.
Yeah. It’s honestly probably a little bit of that, a little bit that the closeted gay Republican theory holds water, and a little bit of the loghouse republicans in there.
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Any large gathering of people will have an effect. It’s less than conservative events are unique but that they aren’t
Yeah there’s that. The reason it’s a big deal is because of the hypocrisy.
It’s literally just a massive event causing infrastructure problems. You’d see the same downtime for other similar services at the same time. I don’t know why this meme keeps coming up.
It’s like saying I couldn’t charge my vibrating anal sex toy because my power went out. The Republicans at the convention must be all charging their own vibrating anal sex toys and taking all the power.
Its also kinda homophobic in the “the gays are self hating” kind of way. Yes. There are closeted gay Republicans. But it’s not a meaningful number to matter.
These memes just make liberals look dumb for not understanding how infrastructure works. Fuck Charlie Kirk and the Republicans. But this shit is just dumb.
Servers are not some independent resource. Heavy pressure on internet infrastructure will cause downtime or latency issues on servers even if they aren’t the ones being used directly.
Some services will work better than others as they are designed to handle spikes. Grindr likely doesn’t invest in that as it doesn’t profit them to do so. The opportunity cost aren’t worth it. Uber on the other hand would as spike pricing benefits them heavily. So they likely have server allocation to handle high demand (which takes resources from other services even more).
TLDR: Internet infrastructure is complicated and it’s not some directly allocated resource. Grindr having outages does not directly mean that Grindr is the application with high demand.
You went on a very long and winding road to defend your assumption that republicans don’t have a significant closeted bi component, which is the obvious and correct conclusion from the data. Why wouldn’t Republicans be closeted bi people? Is being a nasty hater really specifically a straight thing? Are all bi people sweetness and light?
Imagine you were brought up to hate yourself for wanting sex with men and learned that the “right” thing to do is “choose” to suppress it? Wouldn’t you be jealous of or angry with men who broke the rules and were out and facing no consequences, when you’ve had to deal with so much shit?
It might be the correct conclusion. But it’s definitely not related to the data at all. Again, my post is about server infrastructure and why literally countless other websites experienced the same issues in that location during the event.
This is cherry picking data and assuming ignorance of how internet usage spikes cause downtime in ALL internet services.
You don’t need bad data like this to confirm that Republicans have closeted gay men. There are countless other ways we know this.
Show me that data from a reliable source or accept that I believe you invented it to support your conclusions.
You’re trying to project a likely true statement onto data that does not mean what you think it means.
It’s why all of the replies I’ve had have been about closeted gay/bi people in the Republican party and have addressed nothing about the main point of my comment: internet infrastructure.
I never denied anything you’re saying here. I mostly agree with it. But I’m autistic and have to explain why this outage map is meaningless. It’s a perfect example of correlation not meaning causation.
If G (grindr outages) is strongly correlated to R (large Republican events) there are only a handful of explanations:
If you trawl large numbers of pairs of data sets for correlation, you will inevitably find some which have a low probability of being that strongly correlated, just as if you randomly survey large numbers of people their age, eventually you will find individuals who are “surprisingly old” or “surprisingly tall”.
This kind of fallacy is best avoided by testing only hypotheses that you have a plausible cause and effect scenario. In the case of GOP gatherings, there are a lot of men who plausibly would want to hide their sexuality so do not want their liberal neighbours or colleagues to see a grindr profile pop up where suspicion could fall on them, and who therefore see being away from home as an opportunity to engage in more anonymous man on man sex.
So with a reasonable hypothesis, it’s then reasonable to all of the data supports it. It does. It’s by no means proof, by this isn’t a court of law.
It takes days to arrange a large event, so the GOP cannot respond to Grindr outages by rushing to hold a convention in that location, amusing though the idea is.
Highly plausible, as discussed.
This is like the correlation between hand size and foot size which is particularly strong if you only include children. (A here is age and hormonal changes over years.) I can’t think of anything that would cause both Republican events and Grindr outages.
I think it’s fair to conclude that R causes G here.
This is a perfect example of someone using statistics to come to a bad conclusion.
The problem is that you don’t understand internet infrastructure. You’re coming to a false conclusion because you are assuming something to be true that isn’t. So you are starting from a faulty premise. All reasoning can be sound afterwards and still give you the wrong answer.
You are assuming that internet website’s and apps have outages independent of one another. That a site “going down” is only caused by the servers being overwhelmed with traffic that is directly requesting interaction with that one specific server.
And this is just not true in the slightest. Even for “self hosted” websites. Internet infrastructure (especially in America with no net neutrality) is heavily dependent on the ISP prioritizing some packets over other packets. It is an extremely priority driven system that is far too complex to come to conclusions on with this single chart showing USER REPORTS (another unreliable factor) of outages.
So you can ChatGPT me all the responses you like. But you still haven’t addressed this very simple point: A WEBSITE DOES NOT EXPERIENCE OUTAGES ONLY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE USING THAT SPECIFIC WEBSITE A LOT. Your grandmas art website can experience outages because of high usage in the same area.
Like I said. That same day and location websites and apps of all kinds experienced outages due to the spike in traffic from the event. Unless you have ISP data (you don’t), showing which servers were causing the largest spike in usage, you can’t come to the conclusion you are coming to.
You’re trying really hard to prove something. So you are making an assumption and keep ignoring that you are in your replies.
I’m simply saying: there is not enough data to come to a conclusion one way or the other. We have no idea if Grindr went had outages due to Republicans using the it a lot OR if because Republicans just just caused a spike in Internet usage that made the connection to Grindr unreliable.
And given the statistics of gay/bi men being 5% of the total population. Its really heavily weighted in favor of the 95% of other people just using the internet a lot. Well, 100%, because gay/bi men also use the internet for non Grindr related stuff.
Yes, A WEBSITE CAN EXPERIENCE OUTAGES WHEN PEOPLE ARE USING THAT SPECIFIC WEBSITE A LOT because otherwise DDOS wouldn’t be effective.
I.e. your “DOES NOT” is incorrect.
In future, try not to lecture people with computer science degrees that it’s impossible for websites to be brought down by spikes in demand.
Also your assertion that I’m using an LLM to talk on social media without checking my post history on just how unreliable I think it is is foolish, and of course another example of you being incorrect. Did you not think that other people are capable of knowing anything? Weird. Do I even sound remotely like an LLM? Or did you think that only LLMs are capable of enumerating and numbering logical possibilities for correlations?! Not everyone is incapable of independent thought or structuring an argument. Where did you think LLMs learned it from?
And if, as you repeatedly insist, it must have been that all internet infrastructure was down, the headline (at last somewhere) would be “GOP event crashes the internet”, not “GOP event crashes grindr, again”.
GOP events keep crashing grindr. Your long and convoluted arguments that this couldn’t possibly have happened specifically to grindr are incorrect, and your insistent rejection of the obvious explanation that closeted Republicans got the chance for some consequence free sex for once is irrational and biased.
You really are falling at the occam’s razor thing. Like, properly badly.
Holy shit. I’m done reading your replies. It’s like you can’t read.
I never said a website can’t go down due to high demand. I said it’s not the ONLY way it goes down. Holy shit reading comprehension and reasoning are not your strong suite.
Maybe you should stick with ChatGPT replies. (That was a joke and an insult. Because you sound like a lifeless robot. It wasn’t an actual assertion).
Run out of rational points, resorting to a raft of insults.
You’re still missing a reason to dismiss the obvious cause for the correlation. I did explain that a couple of posts ago, but instead of addressing any of t the points or the logic of the argument, you just claimed I didn’t author it myself, which isn’t much of an argument even if it were true, which it is not.
You’re missing any news whatsoever that any other websites went down, so as I warned you I would, I call BULLSHIT on the whole infrastructure all went down, all internet services were affected nonsense you invented without a shred of evidence.
Why on earth are you trying so hard and for so long to resist admitting that it’s highly likely that grindr goes down at big GOP events because gay or bi Republicans are far more likely to be closeted and being away from home is their best chance all year round for some man on man sex while their location is some anonymous and deniable hotel room?
Everyone goes back to their hotels at the same time after the big Republican gathering and all the spike logs on to grindr. Like the British electricity spike in the ad break in the nation’s favourite non-BBC soap opera, there’s a grindr spike for big Republican events. The British electricity spike is daily and the energy generating companies are very prepared for it every evening. The Republican grindr spike is much rarer and changes time and location, so grindr isn’t ready for it.
For about the fourth time, use Occam’s razor.
It’s the secret Republican gay sex spike that keeps crashing grindr.
Yeah that’s part of what bothers me about this rhetoric. It does seem vaguely homophobic.