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The only time I would use inverted controls, is in a flight sim. And only planes. Spaceships I still want up for up.
Played flying games first. Inverted ever since.
Same, I played this wwii flying ace game on the PC before any other game had movement in 3 axis (axes? axises?) and it just stuck. Even back in goldeneye, inverted. It’s like imagine if the joystick was poking out the top of your head
Tilting your head. I get it yeah! 😝 Makes sense.
Axies* 🙃
Axes* 😉
Ah it’s one of those sounds different but spelled the same f*ckers.
Spelled the same as what? Singular of axes is axis 😅
Axes and axes. 🙃
I forgot axes was a word. 🪓 English is weird
Axe-a-lot-ls* 😉
The best games shuffle your controller inputs at random on startup to promote mental flexibility and problem solving skills.
I think it’s the original Halo that asks you to look up or down during the tutorial, and then chooses your input method based on what you press.
Was a neat way of doing it.
I think the third (fourth?) Ratchet & Clank also did that.
2 and 3 do the same diagnostic routine, and Reach asks you to look at a building in the distance.
I was pretty new at console FPS when I first tried that game, and I had never realised before then that people might play inverted. Tripped me out.
This is funny to me, because it took a really long time for me to realise anyone used anything other than “inverted”. I remember when I was first presented with the option, I became very confused, because of course I selected “normal”, but then it turned out “normal” was the wrong way around…
Wow, that’s an interesting way
Me: right stick
Computer: … Welp
I did most of a Dark Souls playthrough with a PS3 controller that was breaking down. There’s a tiny foam block on the inside that, after some years of abuse, will flatten out and trigger spurious inputs if some controls are pressed too hard. This caused an interesting challenge, since after panic-rolling, I would usually stand back up disarmed (d-pad right/left swaps that hand out for an alt item which was empty). It seemed kinda/sorta natural that way, and didn’t know that wasn’t a game mechanic (in this already ludicrously hard game) until I talked to some friends about it.
Edit: I made it through about 75% of the game like this.
Okay, not nearly the same, but I swear to god KH changes the fucking axis, target, and menu buttons each game, and my ass was fucking tired of it. So if a game changed inputs every save/startup I’d probably cry.
what kinda games do you play???
I’ll let you know when I figure out how to get to the title screen.
StarCraft 2 coop has a mode called vertigo, which every 15 sec rotates your camera by a random angle… I had headache for 2 days…
Every time someone tries and pull out the “just imagine flying a plane” explanation all I can think is motherfucker you’re playing a fucking video game
But I started gaming with flight simulators.
I exclusively play inverted. I find it also gives better control while playing FPS games.
I like to imagine inverted players control their character by grabbing a stick on the top of their characters head
It’s more like the analogue stick is representing your characters neck. IRL you pull your neck down to look up, and vice versa.
Sure but then with this perspective, shouldn’t left and right also be inverted??
I care more about the vertical inversion than the horizontal one. Not certain why. Have played with horizontal inversion on before and it didn’t bother me much after a minute or two.
Not necessarily, IMO. You tilt your head back to look up, but you don’t tilt your head left to look right.
I think it’s an issue of mapping potentially 6 axes of movement to a 2D plane. They don’t all line up the same way. Left and right in the game line up with left and right on the mousepad, but up and down in the game map to forward and back with the mouse.
Thinking of the mouse being glued to the top of your head works better for me.
No because when you look left your head doesn’t tilt right. When you look up your head tilts backwards
No your using a reference point at the back of you head to say its tilting back when you look up, if you keep the same reference point for the horizontal axis you are turning the head to the right to look left, etc.
I thought the reference point was the top of the head not the back
There’s issues with all the analogies. If I tilt the stick left, if it was my neck, then I would roll my neck to the left and I’d need to twist the stick to look around. Perhaps this is the missing control scheme we’ve been waiting for.
There are dozens of us! Dozens!
You’re a monster
Never heard of the airplane explanation, but I invert both if it’s third person. I’m controlling the camera’s position behind the character, not where they’re looking.
It makes so much sense on a plane. If you lose attention and lean on the control stick, the plane will tilt the nose down and yank you back into the seat. If the direction was up, the plane would slam you into the stick and the plane would do infinite loops, especially if you black out.
It’s largely an age gap I think. The first generation of FPS games on N64, PS1, etc used inverted controls, so if you’re an old man millennial like me, that’s how you learned to play.
Then in later generations (PS2/3 and on) this changed and inverted became an option, rather than the default (or in some games, only!).
Thus younger gamers are used to “standard” and older gamers used to inverted.
It’s funny, I’m a millennial as well. I remember those inverted games and it feeling wrong to me. Once I started finding “regular” games it always felt better imo
Killzone on PS2 was the first game I played that wasn’t inverted and it took me several hours to figure out why aiming was so hard
I think Mario 64 was supposed to help transition people into 3D games, since they were pretty new, by leaning on the “you’re controlling the camera guy” aspect. You remember that little flying guy they showed following Mario around filming him? So when you aim up you move the camera guy higher which in turn makes the camera look down to keep Mario in frame.
Yeah, that’s why I played inverted for the longest time. Took a break from gaming for a bit and have since switched to standard.
The real monsters are the ones inverting their X-axis.
I only do this for Sims 4
Only when controlling flying crafts.
Even then I leave my view stick verted.
Videogame cameras in 1st person it’s supposed to work like this:
The REAL inverted would be move stick down and then you see down.
This would imply the X axis has to be inverted too…
Yep, you right. The same rules are applied.
Am I a weirdo to thinks about turning my head to the left, not the back of my head to the right?
This doesn’t seem intuitive
Its two different perspectives. One is controlling a character as if they are controlling a camera from the rear. The other is the more common, where you’re using the joystick to move the point that you’re looking at.
Which way should the text on your screen move when you spin the mouse wheel? :P
You spin the mouse wheel to control the scroll bar, so of course spinning the wheel towards you (down, if you align the mouse with the screen), should make the scroll bar go down.
This was, for a long time, uncontroversial. However, after touch screens became widely used, people started incorrectly assuming that the mouse wheel “moves the screen” (absolutely ludicrous), and decided that down was up and up was down, and that the sane way to scroll with a mouse wheel or touch pad was “inverted” and not “sane”/“normal”.
Mhm, it’s all about perspective. Moving the viewport or the content. The viewport or the viewer, for first person. Ideally you should always have the option to choose.
For me I only accept inverted camera controls for orbiting cameras that aren’t use for aiming.
I’ve never thought about this, but yes. When I play fps games it feels natural to use non-inverted, while for games where you’re not “aiming” but “looking around” it feels more natural with inverted.
If you just imagine that the right stick is their neck you don’t need to postulate a Parasaurolophus horn
The first time someone explained this to me and showed me how to invert controls, it changed my life and made video games more enjoyable (I’m mostly a PC gamer out of convenience but prefer a console/controller). I recently played the ff7 remake and forgot that I could invert controls and was about to quit playing until I remembered I could invert. “Standard” controls don’t make sense to me and kinda make me dizzy or seasick.
This is so silly. Thanks for making me laugh.
You’re right, but somewhere along the way we all got used to the other way
It’s how games with flying should control but that’s the only application it should be used in to me. I believe this since that’s how it works in IRL.
Flying games should have an option to choose regular or inverted.
If you’re into piloting, got a joystick or something - sure, inverted is your choice.
Otherwise it’s just unnecessarily confusing.
I understand that but it’s simply more realistic to be inverted. I am very used to it because honestly most games with flying controls make inverted default anyway.
I’m just completely unable to learn inverted Y.
Any game that doesn’t have an option to make it regular is unplayable for me. Oh, and sadly IRL radio controlled planes are too. I tried two, and both got smacked into the ground and needed repairs.
I can comprehend it when both axis are inverted, but when it’s only one, it doesn’t click.
But why would roll be inverted? For planes you just need to think about the fact you are controlling the airplanes pitch not the camera view, which is why my camera controls are always regular in flight games but then obviously the y axis for flight is inverted. Pitch left roll left, pitch right roll right, pitch forward go down, pitch back go up. I.e. If you tilt the plane to the left it rolls to the left, if you tilt it to the right it rolls to the right, if you tilt the plane back it changes the attitude of the flight path to bring you higher same thing in reverse for pitching forward. I agree with your last statement for fps/tps games though unless both are inverted for camera it just doesnt make any logical sense and instead are trying to map flight controls to a head which just completely looses me.
I still don’t quite get why planes are somehow the exception - likely because something about engineering and use of real planes makes inverted Y preferable, or that joysticks as opposed to mouse/keyboard make inverted Y a bit more tangible? I don’t find the inversion intuitive in any game-related context, at least as a mouse/keyboard/gamepad user.
Up is up, down is down, simple as that. I just piloted a spaceplane in Space Engineers after piloting a dragon in World of Warcraft and both games just have up on up and down on down. To me, this is how it should be, or at least there should always be an option to make it so.
For any casual play, it just adds to a consistent and predictable experience.
But then again, I might be biased because inverted Y just doesn’t click with me, no matter how much I challenged myself to figure it out. Automatic reactions always lead me the wrong way.
Its not so bad, it’s just a context switch. In an fps game you’re changing the direction your character is intending to look. Wanna look left, tilt left. Wanna look up, tilt up.
In a flying game, you’re controlling the attitude of the plane, it helps to think of your joystick being glued to the top of the plane.
And by inverted you mean inverted from their proper inverted position. So uninverted. Which is the inverse of correct.
This is how it works: Push down, nuzzle points up!
Push up, nuzzle goes down!
How can anyone play differently?
Some people visualize their Y tilt “lever” as in front of the fulcrum of their neck, and some people visualize it as behind the fulcrum. Thus some people find an inverted Y axis to be intuitive, while others don’t. At least, this is how the reason for the preference has been explained to me.
I still think all you inverted Y axis people are monsters.
I still think all you inverted Y axis people are monsters.
This is a safe space. You are allowed to share your completely wrong opinions here.
To be fair my IRL best friend is one of you inverted Y monsters. Monsters are people, too.
I still think all you inverted Y axis people are monsters.
“O fuck it! I’m a monster! I admit it!”
It it would be a lever behind, X axis would be inverted too.
Y inversion is just terrible and has no good explanation in relation to non-piloting games (and even there most people would be better off with regular Y)
The back lever thing is a simplification. It’s more that they visualise it as controlling the yaw and pitch, like gluing the joystick to the top of their head. Point is though that it’s there as an accessible option
some old-school players because they learned mouse/controller camera movements on simulators. think what a pilot does when they want to tilt up: they pull, so you pull the mouse toward you, ie “down”
To this day I play flight sims inverted like that, but normal FPS feels unnatural to invert the camera
I played inverted for quite some time in the early days. It always made sense to me because i imagined holding someone’s skull, when you tilt up, the eyes go down. I switched when playing games like counter strike 1.4 and on. I can honestly play both equally, i just stuck to “normal”
