Everyone else surprised that a school district would take any action at all against any bully, let alone one bullying a trans student.
Taking action isn’t too surprising. Not also suspending the bullied student because of some stupid 0 tolerance bullshit is more surprising
They get triggered if the wind blows the wrong direction. Fuck em.
This has gone too far. Conservative media has just become purposeless cruelty. Bullying in any form shouldn’t be allowed in school. Its obviously not only inhumane to allow that shit but its a liability for schools.
When was it not? Rush was pretty mean back in the day.
Nobody in either of my kids schools get bullied. It hasn’t been an issue for 20 years. It doesn’t take a lot of effort either. Kids just don’t see the point, they have better things to do.
If you make an effort you can shut that shit down.
Edit: lol Lemmy quit being reddit. Downvoting this is sad! Seriously the kids don’t bully each other, they have been taught to help each other, and tolerate each other. That’s the effort.
So downvoting this is like saying: but we like bullying!
The world could be better, but people will downvote that idea.
Nobody in either of my kids schools get bullied. It hasn’t been an issue for 20 years.
Maybe your kids went to a unicorn of a school, but most schools have some sort of bullying problem, whether it’s about queer issues, race, economic status or even just an ordinary name. If the school allows it, bullies will exist and find something, anything to bully passive kids over.
I agree. I am just saying it does not have to be that way.
That’s not how you worded it. You sound like you think bullying only started recently with trans students.
Lol what? I never mentioned trans students at all.
Spoken like every school admin and parent turning a build eye to bullying right in front their faces ever.
No. The opposite of that.
The schools make a safe place to go to school part of the curriculum. They do not turn a blind eye. They also don’t threaten punishment, but encourage inclusiveness. Of course that is WOKE now so most other schools are going to ramp up the bullying.
I talked to my kids and their friends many times over the years, and was surprised because it is so different than what I had.
They just don’t even see the point in harassing anyone, it has no value to them, and they never get harassed either.
And then everyone started clapping
More likely your kids and their friends were the bullies. That’s why you never heard about it lol
Whatever. Actually I was asking them because they very much are the kids that might have been bullied.
I get it, nobody wants it to go away or be addressed. If someone like me says it can be better it’s jokes and no it can’t.
And that’s why it is a problem.
No. Down voting is disagreeing with bullying hasn’t been a thing for 20 years. Many people here have been bullied in the last twenty years. Heck, at my kid’s school there was a bullying incident that caused quite a stir a couple of years ago. Unfortunately, the district no longer has any tools to deal with it if the restorative justice model doesn’t bring all the parties to the table. The parents, from what I hear, said it was a boys will be boys thing. And I know of at least one person who withdrew their child in no small part due to this.
So I agree that bullying is probably way down from when I was a kid, but to say it isn’t a thing because you have no awareness of it is a little self centered.
I am not saying it doesn’t exist, I don’t want to imply that.
What I was trying to say, is it doesn’t have to. Maybe I should have made that more clear. The schools my kids went to made it a priority to make it go away, and they succeeded. They did what you do with all kids, you move their attention and reward the good behaviors. They have a large age difference so this spans many years.
It is so depressing that other schools throw up their hands and just say kids will be kids. My whole point wasn’t to say it doesn’t happen, but that it CAN be better.
Good for your kids I guess. That experience is not universal. My nephew has had repeated issues with it.
No its not universal. Its depressing other schools won’t make the effort and I only said it because I am hoping people realize it doesn’t have to be this way.
A school, parents, and community can try and focus kids attention on being better. But they don’t. Hell many communities and parents are becoming worse.
I got involved because I had good reason to think my kids would have been targets.
Edit: I am not stupid, I know it occurs, but it is infrequent. They schools make equity and inclusiveness a cornerstone of education. Well at least they did, who know what will happen now.
Of course they are because cruelty is the point.
Looks like it’s been misreported as one male saying in the locker room “there’s a girl in here” and others saying they felt uncomfortable with a girl there. The school say there’s more to it than media covered. Suspending a group for 10 days for expressing discomfort wouldn’t be valid, but obviously that’s not what happened
As usual, the cruelty is the point!
I’m surprised they even noticed, trans men don’t tend to exist to these bigots
They were going to cause a problem no matter what the outcome was. Ignore.
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You seem to be very convinced that the weapon hoarding 2nd amendment people will lose…
are you referring to socialists and communists and anarchists? because we love guns over here.
The old joke is that if you go far enough left, you get your guns back.
Trudat, Comrade.
Yeah but the human shit stains will just recede back into the woodwork before they can all be identified.
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Frankly, I’m surprised this even happened. I couldn’t care less about how this makes MAGA feel. I’m just glad the kids were seen and those that could- did something to protect them.
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I think a lot of people have not read the article. Locker rooms/changing rooms are already uncomfortable. If there was a girl in my locker room in school, I would have been uncomfortable too. From the article, I wouldn’t go so far as to call it bullying, and suspending the students, but it’s clear that this is a time to have a talk with them, and if he is willing, the trans student as well.
In fairness to the school district, they said they would not have suspended the students for something like this, and they are investigating. So chances are there is more that happened than what is in the news cycle.
It sounds like there wasn’t a girl in the locker room, but a trans boy.
I’m not saying that isn’t awkward, but your perception of events aren’t exactly accurate either.
I’m trans personally, and I think the solution to this is more gender-neutral spaces. If I use the men’s room, I make men uncomfortable because I’m a woman. If I didn’t pass, I might make folks uncomfortable in the women’s room instead.
The issue is the gender binary and our cultures discomfort of anything outside it. Not that a trans boy was more comfortable in the boys locker room.
That said, I don’t think the trans boy should have been filming. I get the he wanted to catch the harassment on video, but an audio recording would have served the same purpose.
To be fair, the big WTF to me was that the trans boy walked into the locker room to film the reactions. I think breaking out the camera in any locker room by anyone would be considered unacceptable.
True. My guess is that this is something that has been consistently happening to him. Knowing how schools slow-roll harassment and bullying compliants (unless it has been massively reworked in the last 20 years) he probably saw video evidence as the only way to force the staff to intervene, and was willing to accept the risks of filming the incident.
Teenagers are tricky, could have been to document unjust harassment, or it could have been to ragebait the other kids. Without having seen the video, I’ve no idea which way it went, and even then might be impossible to know without broader context.
Makes it very difficult to fairly cover a potentially nuanced situation since the privacy of underaged kids is important, so we are left with vague second hand reporting.
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Sure sure,
On the flipside though, if this student had been verbally and physically harassed multiple times while in the locker room while staff ignored his complaints, then he may have felt compelled to film simply to prevent worse harassment from occuring.
Clearly, there is more going on than what information is publicly available.
I agree completely and I’m impressed that you were so cordial with @[email protected]
You sound like they shouldve been rude instead.
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No, I think I got it alright.
and if he is willing, the trans student as well.
I imagine some girls would be equally as uncomfortable with this boy in their locker room. From the perspective of those other boys, there was a girl in their locker room. We need to teach understanding that trans people exist, and they need to use bathrooms and locker rooms as well.
I’m with you on having more availability of gender neutral locker rooms, but until schools either integrate all locker rooms (unlikely, seeing how parents have reacted) or build a 3rd locker room (equally unlikely IMO) then we need to teach about how trans people feel, and replace fear and discomfort with understanding and acceptance.
If there was a girl in my locker room in school, I would have been uncomfortable too.
I was referencing specifically this part of your post.
But I agree with your take overall. And see that in the quoted text you were referencing the boys perceptions. But it also sounds like this harassment was ongoing, hence the trans boy feeling the need to record it. Calling him a girl was likely part of that harassment. They likely know he’s trans. But are learning a lot of exclusionary rhetoric from their peers and likely adults too. Which they used to harass and exclude the trans boy.
We need education, inclusion. And yeah, safe gender neutral spaces too.
In fairness to my past self, a locker room was a place to change my clothes and get out. I was uncomfortable being in there with anyone for any length of time.
I’m trying to take a view from the other boys, who see him as a girl. You can’t reasonably expect people who’ve grown up in a society where they’re is a binary assignment between boy and girl at birth to suddenly understand and accept a trans person, without some kind of education, coaching and adjustment period. From the other boys perspective, this student was a girl, and he just came into the locker room and started filming them. If I went into a women’s locker room and started filming, I probably would get a police escort out of the building with some shiny new bracelets. There are two sides to this story. I’m not saying that the trans boy wasn’t being harassed. I was saying that there is more going on here, because a couple of boys saying “I’m not comfortable with this girl in the locker room” wouldn’t get them suspended for 10 days, the school district said the same thing in the article.
I was also uncomfortable being in there. And I agree with you that the article doesn’t give us enough background of what was going on, because obviously there’s a lot more to the story if the school board did find that these kids were bullying.
And I agree that filming wasn’t appropriate, presumably there would have been a lot of boys in there that weren’t bullies.
Anyway, I think there is a lot more to this story than what is in the article. So us from the outside, it’s just conjecture. The scoreboard made a decision on what they thought was going to keep kids safe. And their decision was to suspend kids they perceived as being bullies.
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The problem is that it boils down to not wanting trans kids to exist. You have a trans boy, presenting as male, blocked from the boys locker-room.
Care to guess what would have happened if they tried to use the girls locker room as all the righties are demanding?
Say you’re in the womens restroom and Buck Angel walks in because he’s legally blocked from using the mens room, imagine the reaction.
It’s not about which bathroom is the “right” bathroom. They don’t want trans people to have the human right to use ANY bathroom.
The cruelty is the point.
Think about you HS days. Did you ever here a boy say “I am feeling uncomfortable” and not being sarcastic. and acting suprised… it was march. They knew who the person was. They were calling it out to be mean and make the person uncomfortable or even afraid. They were trying to build momentum and to get others to join in the harassment.
Did you ever here a boy say “I am feeling uncomfortable” and not being sarcastic. and acting suprised
I’m actually going to believe that one is ‘genuine.’ It’s amazing how quickly people begin acting in over-exaggerated ‘civility’ when a phone or camera is in obvious sight.
Agree to disagree. Kids these days are used to phones being everywhere, and at the time he said it, the vid is black. They were probably not holding it in an obvious recording hold, so they could get the real treatment on tape. We would need a HS teacher to break the tie though.
Then it’s fortunate that your personal experience doesn’t dictate school safety procedures :)
I agree, but let’s analyze this a bit further… Who’s personal experience should dictate school safety procedures?
Edit : They did not want to discuss. They instead wanted to use a small grammatical mistake to avoid any discussion at all.
I’d argue no personal experience should be the basis for any safety procedure.
Safety procedures should be based on… what keeps people safe. Personal experience shouldn’t enter into it.
Say you need to evacuate a building. The evacuation plan should be based on building population, the number of exits, etc. etc. There are established policies for coming up with an evacuation plan to ensure they are safe and consistent.
https://www.osha.gov/etools/evacuation-plans-procedures/eap/elements
Not “personal experience”.
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I’m going to circle back around, there was an investigation launched. They don’t launch those investigations without evidence. And the boys were suspended, which means that the school board, with their experience dealing with bullies found that this was a situation where a trans boy was being bullied by his peers. The school used it’s experience to determine the answer question you posed. And suspended the bullies.
In your comment that I initially replied to, you pushed the idea that these kids truly believe that this is a girl. I think it’s far more likely that they know he’s trans, and view him as a freak. Calling him a girl wasn’t there perception. It was the language they chose to bully someone they see as different.
And incidents like this are why suicide rates are high in the trans population.
Not relevant to this thread. Since you’re here though…
…let’s analyze this a bit further… Who’s personal experience should dictate school safety procedures?
I don’t give a shit if the student is trans or not. Bullying is bullying and SHOULD result in suspension. This shouldn’t even be a fucking story but here we are because a parent can’t take accountability for the fact that their kid was acting shitty
In the video, which became public in May, one boy can be heard asking, “There’s a girl in here?” Another adds, “Why is there a girl? I’m so uncomfortable there is a girl.” Their comments prompted another boy to insist that the trans student leave.
Right wingers see a video on line and assume it’s the full story and get their collective panties in a twist. However, the school district, which cannot legally release any detailed information about the investigation and punishment had this to say:
“At no time would LCPS suspend a student simply because they expressed some kind of discomfort. A reading of our Title IX resources should make it clear that there is a high bar to launch a Title IX investigation and an even higher bar to determine a student is in violation of Title IX.”
I’m thinking this went a little bit further than a couple students whining and must have turned a fair bit worse.
Knowing how a good amount of these kids are raised now by right wing assholes, it’s fair to assume thing turned a LOT worse
And right wing iPads. They’re absorbing some really terrible stuff without supervision, or even with mild supervision and guidance it still gets through.
And blocking kids from those platforms isn’t the answer.
Edit: /s
I got in to two separate arguments on the internet over this today.
The kids should be free to participate in all platforms
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My opinion: no. Children under certain age have no capacity to detect malice or disinformation when interacting with others, especially adults and algorithms bent on harm.
Hell, most adults probably aren’t. But as long as a child has a guardian, it’s the guardian’s responsibility to teach, guide and protect.
Letting a child lose into the internet is harmful, just like letting one out into a city.
I don’t think age verification is a particularly good tool to enforce that, but I don’t know what is, on a societal level.
I do agree with the stated goals tho.
I agree with this. I don’t think any of the legislation put forward, in multiple countries, with the stated goals of “protecting the children” are actually meant to protect the children. If they were I would indeed support them because I have watched friends struggle with their children. But I’m not entirely sure legislating this problem away is even possible.
But parents I know can sit right next to their kids while they have screen time and some of the stuff that gets sent to their children’s devices is questionable. It’s a lot of emotional and mental labor constantly on parents to course correct some of that sometimes sneaky content. And this is a dual working home who are already stretched thin on time and energy. And banning the older children from devices altogether is pretty much impossible because of school and peers.
I saw a post the other day and it made a valid point. When we were kids there seemed to be a lot more sites with games and stuff geared toward children like Neopets and I remember Gaiaonline fondly. Were there some questionable things? Sure, it was the Wild West of the Internet and I had like zero and I mean zero supervision online, but there just seemed to be more stuff explicitly for kids. Games, interactive educational sites, chats and forums. Not just “versions” of things for kids.
Perhaps I am missing something? Someone please jump in if I am misguided on the apps and sites available today. I would gladly pass that info along to some pairs of parents I know.
It’s so weird how I agree with you, yet I’m the one with the downvotes here. Just because I’m being sarcastic? I don’t think so. I think they are reactionary and just pissed that what I says aligns with the option platforms are taking.
I was being sarcastic. I’m surprised no one noticed.
Usually it’s “fuck this! Parents should do their job!” Around here and in gamer/tech nerd spaces. And that aligns with the sarcasm.
Holy shit, the unhinged right are masters of making themselves out to be the real victims. What fucking chodes they are.
And the “left” is sitting back and allowing their country to be steamrolled by these fucking chodes. It’s embarrassing, really.
Crybullying is a tactic we let work far too often.
I dealt with them enough people that my response to crybulling is to laugh in their face and dare them to throw a punch. Which is surprisingly effective when you are a five five dude who pulls off the wildman look quite well.
lol I read cyber bullying, whoops
