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The difference is the programmers know their CEOs will have to come crawling back to get them to fix all the things the LLMs break.
While artists will get the enshitified end of the stick.
So what you are saying is AI changes nothing?
No, it just amplifies it.
Before, as a photografer you might get stuck with a soulless stock photography job. Now that crap is AI generated and you don’t have a job at all anymore.
I was more making a joke that artists ALWAYS get the shittiest end of the shit sandwich. As someone with a BS and an MA, I have seen both worlds intimately.
That’s more than fair :)
Kinda wish I had social media right now so I could tell DevilsPanties to go fuck themselves.
CEOs are demanding that programmers use AI, and measuring how much they use it. If they don’t use it enough, they’re in the next round of layoffs. Vibe coders are people who don’t know how to code, and probably aren’t working for a corp.
Seriously, attacking the workers? Motherfuckers.
Weird. I got a totally different read. I’m probably mistaken, but I thought it was suggesting that they were doing malicious compliance by making shitty code that will fail the moment they are no longer maintaining it, so that the corporation will have to bring them back with a consultancy rate.
I saw it similar but more they’re laughing about how it’s gonna make ass product.
Right. AI shitting bad code is making developer work hell, not making them look good.
No developer enjoys fixing bad code, the core of our work is making our production neat and maintainable. There might be a small minority of assholes with the dead man’s switch mentality, but everyone hates those, including other developers.
Suggesting there’s some kind of conspiracy of developers intentionally sabotaging AI in their field is gross. AI is just incompetent.
This is correct i have worked with C levels in the past and can tell you. Sometimes they force their workforce to use a product or tech for the sole purpose that they have an investment in it. You ever wonder why your company changed process work flow and application or vendor when the other one worked just fine and the new solution makes your job harder. It because your C level had it in his portfolio and waned to juice the stock.
Also when it comes to stocks and shareholders it has nothing to do with facts or anything based in reality but just on vibes and perception and the perception is AI make line go up. So it gets pushed on the rest of us.
As someone else said here, programmers are not a monolith. However, I’ve seen it multiple times on the job and in social media where programmers are using these tools to write code voluntarily. The code produced is often garbage, and I have to reject it at review time, but there are a lot of programmers using these things willingly.
The point is how arrogant this comic is. There are as many artists using AI as there are programmers. And acting like all programmers are just accepting it to send themselves “to the bread line” and that artists are somehow above that is arrogant, elitist, bullshit.
If a programmer takes AI generated code and uses it without reviewing or correcting it, then that programmer should indeed lose their job.
But nothing wrong with using AI to make a first draft.
programmers
They don’t program, therefore they’re not programmers (and they’ll probably never be again, since using LLMs has been proven to damage one’s ability to reason and learn, probably permanently).
Vibe coders, maybe.
Victims of the LLM scam, definitely.
This one pisses outside the urinal, it’s grossly missing the mark
On one side the artists who have art as an integral part of their identities and social roles, threatened by Ai, should be paired by the equally dedicated programmers who are threatened by Ai
The ChatGPT programmers should be paired with Midjourney prompters that so call themselves artists.
I think the joke here is that the programmers know just how bad the AI product is and so aren’t fearing for their jobs quite the same way.
Idk a developer worth their salt who is truly afraid of AI taking their job, because we’ve seen what AI “can do”
Then the joke lands wrong on two levels because, one, AI code is being enforced by higher ups, not developers (it is “cheaper” after all, as long as you don’t count the tedious shitty work needed to fix it), and two, the comic represents “Programmers” actually in control of that shit and (mis)using it for personal gain.
It’s true we don’t fear it as much as artists, because the thing with art is that it’s way easier for a cynical board of executives to go for “good enough” crappy pseudo-art and not break anything. It does not mean developers in general aren’t impacted negatively by that shit too, and it certainly does not mean they are profiting of it and enabling it.
However this is clearly what transpires from the comic.
I think you’re attempting to talk on my behalf and it’s not working for me.
You interpreted the joke differently, but a number of us didn’t. That’s all.
rare devils panties L. the vibe coders are a pretty microscopic minority who are being promoted as an anti-employee shareholder psyop.
Plenty of programmers who use AI to enhance their workflow. Nothing wrong with letting it create boilerplate code they have written themselves hundreds of times before.
But the ones using it for vibe coding are very far in the minority. I doubt there is even one that actually has a job as a programmer. Its mainly those that never could code in the first place that are using it for vibe coding.
Jennie & Obby, I know you praxis in Lemmy. Change «Programmers» to «CEOs», and you nailed the issue.
Absolutely not the case in my experience, but this comic strip has always been a bit weird in my opinion so 🤷♂️
Programmers are not a monolith.
Pshh, yes they are
Those aren’t anymore. But these still are.
It’s kinda a “grass is greener on the other side” situation. There’s vibe coders, yeah, but there’s not a lot of professional programmers that actually uses it
I’m a programmer, and I’ve heard many programmers advocate for using “AI”. I surround myself with those that reject it (primarily for ethical reasons), but the ones at my last job seemed to like it.
Anyway, the whole industry has actually been built on vibes for at least a generation. C is bad. JS is worse. We have better languages that had better tooling and better semantics since before either of those were invented, but they were ignored in order to build an edifice to Capital on sand. Since then, the actual computer scientists (that study that branch of mathematics) have made much better languages and done studies to provide evidence they are easier to learn and produce a lower fault rate. That has been consistently ignored.
Adopting “AI” is just another step before the whole industry collapses, and we restart on better foundations and salvage what is absolutely necessary.
I don’t know what the next foundation actually is, or how stable it can even be when it’s built on this von Neumann trash instead of a proper Harvard Architecture. /s (I hope the foundation is related to GRTT or QTT.)
What are some examples of those better languages that have been created by scientists? I might look into it learning one if they are that superior.
Define better.
There are hundreds of languages that improve things. Kotlin for example was an improvement over Java while Java was stuck in the perpetual hell that was Java 8. Now it itself is pretty stuck.
For C, there is D, for Java you have Kotlin, Groovy, C#, and dozens of others. For JS there’s TypeScript. For CSS there is SCSS and dozens of other *CSS variants. Rust and Go (and again hundreds of others) try to replace C/C++.
The ones I listed here are somewhat well-known and some of them are used by a lot of people. But there are hundreds more, some do really cool, creative stuff, but they are also obscure and are lacking any kind of community and libraries, which makes them worse for practical use.
And back then you had stuff like Oberon/Component Pascal, Smalltalk, and many other good languages.
Just check out the list: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_programming_languages
But programming languages aren’t chosen for how cool the language is, but mainly for how likely it is to find people who can use them and how much resources are available. Popularity trumps language design.
I’ll help you when you fall from holding your breath
One cares about their work, the other doesnt.
Says the person using software clearly written by people who care.
Is lemmy written by ChatGPT, buggy, insecure and unmaintainable? No. So wtf are you trying to say?
The comic is clearly comparing people that care so much about their work that they protest about it, with an asshole that produces garbage that will end up being a security and privacy nightmare.
The comic is comparing artists and programmers. Any other meaning is just your own interpretation.
