Authorities Sunday arrested 57-year-old Vance Boelter following the largest manhunt in state history. He's charged in the targeted fatal shootings of Minnesota House DFL leader Melissa Hortman and her spouse, and the shooting of state Sen. John Hoffman and his spouse.
I would normally post the “That’s not how this works. that’s not how any of this works” meme in response to this…
But the rule of law is over. We’re still masquerading as if the music hasn’t stopped. It’s not clear to me what law, even means. So like sure, maybe he will. It’s absurd even in principle, but here we are dancing in the absurd.
If a government isn’t bound by laws, them laws have no meaning.
Yep, same. I am continuously baffled at people who are surprised when the regime does something wildly illegal and outside of their jurisdiction. The question is no longer “who’s going to let them”. The question has become “who’s going to stop them”, and the answer thus far, in the context of any part of our officialdom, is “absolutely fucking nobody”.
There is a concept of “rule of law” vs “rule by law”.
You are confused about “law” because what you are seeing now is the latter.
This is what kings did ~250 years ago in Europe. But then they started getting their heads cut off and quickly realized they had to change their approach. Some did, some died.
Many people on Lemmy will tell us “bring out the guillotines”. I would love that. But I don’t think it’s that simple anymore. We have consolidated wealth and power in such a way that even rolling heads will not solve it.
The state prisons of MN? They would be holding him and have no reason to release him on Trumps orders since they don’t work for him.
Best I can imagine is that the Feds charge him with murder, Trump pardons him for the federal charges, the state charges him with murder, then the SCOTUS rules that he can’t be charged due to double jeopardy.
You can absolutely under the current law be tried by both the state and federal government for the same action if that action violates both state and federal law. See the 2019 case Gamble v. United States for the most recent ruling on it, but the idea is that the state and federal government are “separate sovereigns” and so it doesn’t violate the double jeopardy clause.
In practice doing so is unusual and DoJ guidelines discourage federal prosecutors from pursuing cases that are prosecuted by the states, but there is no law preventing them from doing so.
Ahh, thanks for the citation! That’s interesting. I thought I’d heard otherwise in some case where there was debate over whether the federal or state government would try the case recently. Maybe it was just to avoid going at the same time then and who would go first.
trump doesn’t get to pardon state charges, so have fun with that.
Who’s going to stop him? There has been a lack of that lately.
I would normally post the “That’s not how this works. that’s not how any of this works” meme in response to this…
But the rule of law is over. We’re still masquerading as if the music hasn’t stopped. It’s not clear to me what law, even means. So like sure, maybe he will. It’s absurd even in principle, but here we are dancing in the absurd.
If a government isn’t bound by laws, them laws have no meaning.
Yep, same. I am continuously baffled at people who are surprised when the regime does something wildly illegal and outside of their jurisdiction. The question is no longer “who’s going to let them”. The question has become “who’s going to stop them”, and the answer thus far, in the context of any part of our officialdom, is “absolutely fucking nobody”.
There is a concept of “rule of law” vs “rule by law”.
You are confused about “law” because what you are seeing now is the latter.
This is what kings did ~250 years ago in Europe. But then they started getting their heads cut off and quickly realized they had to change their approach. Some did, some died.
Many people on Lemmy will tell us “bring out the guillotines”. I would love that. But I don’t think it’s that simple anymore. We have consolidated wealth and power in such a way that even rolling heads will not solve it.
The state prisons of MN? They would be holding him and have no reason to release him on Trumps orders since they don’t work for him.
Best I can imagine is that the Feds charge him with murder, Trump pardons him for the federal charges, the state charges him with murder, then the SCOTUS rules that he can’t be charged due to double jeopardy.
I don’t think he can be tried by the state and the feds for the same crime (double jeopardy).
You can absolutely under the current law be tried by both the state and federal government for the same action if that action violates both state and federal law. See the 2019 case Gamble v. United States for the most recent ruling on it, but the idea is that the state and federal government are “separate sovereigns” and so it doesn’t violate the double jeopardy clause.
In practice doing so is unusual and DoJ guidelines discourage federal prosecutors from pursuing cases that are prosecuted by the states, but there is no law preventing them from doing so.
Ahh, thanks for the citation! That’s interesting. I thought I’d heard otherwise in some case where there was debate over whether the federal or state government would try the case recently. Maybe it was just to avoid going at the same time then and who would go first.
Doesn’t mean he won’t try. You’ve got to remember- trump is very stupid.
Given the number of times “Trump will pardon him” is posted on lemmy for state crimes, so are most lemmykins.
It’s rhetorical at this point. “trump will pardon him” is more or less an indictment that he & his party approve of these sort of crimes.
I guess a better remark would be “If trump were allowed, he’d pardon them. He’ll still try, probably.”
Just like he couldn’t send Venezuelan green card holders to a prison in El Salvador with no due process, right?
That’s very different There’s literally no mechanism that exists for him to pardon somebody accused of a state crime.
Trump can’t break the laws of physics because he broke other laws.