So, like you do realize that prior to our physically entering the war, we ramped up production of war material and basically supplied the allies?
Like, I do respect Canada’s decision, don’t think for a second I’m diminishing that. But if we hadn’t spent time ramping our industrial out put, the allies very probably would have lost. Pearl Harbor gave us a kick in the pants, though we were already building our military to enter. you don’t go from a tiny, basically non existent military to 2.2 million strong overnight.
edit to add: it’s a lot easier to get 11 million people to agree politically than 130 million people. there’s simply more inertia. we can debate about what should have happened, and such. the reality is that we did enter the war indirectly.
Outside of American history, a LOT was happening in the second world war. You may not have been exposed to that education.
Remember that before the US entered the war, it demanded all of the UKs patents. It was a trove worth absolutely billions back then. Mercenaries.
The curriculum you may have seen may typically paint the US as being the single-handed victor to a righteous battle, as the trend goes, but they missed a lot in their summaries.
The curriculum you may have seen may typically paint the US as being the single-handed victor to a righteous battle, as the trend goes, but they missed a lot in their summaries.
I’m not saying that’s not true. But it’s equally unfair to say that Americans weren’t contributing to the overall war effort until 41/42 when we entered with troops. the soviets and UK in particular would absolutely have collapsed if we weren’t involved. Also… I can’t find anything indicating the the US demanded UK patents, and certainly not all the patents.
What I am seeing (and what matches what I’ve seen before,) is that there was a mutual transfer of technologies that were largely strategic in choice. it was definitely uneven- some of it was a simple matter that we needed to know how to build the stuff you all wanted. Can’t exactly make torpex without the formula for torpex, right?
I suspect your curriculum was every bit as biased as mine. Which is the normal for history class. most places gloss over the, ah, troublesome, aspects. Germany is one of the very few places I know of that makes an active effort to not.
A German speaking person criticizing US actions during WW2 is absurd. Remind me, what contributions Germany had in that war? America sacrificed tremendously to right the wrongs of Europe in WW2. My grandfather was surrounded in Bastogne during the Battle of the Bulge, survived and went on to liberate several German concentration camps where Jews were being slaughtered and has photos of the piles of dead emaciated bodies to show of it. The allies, yes including your Canada and the US ultimately supported free Germany until the Berlin wall fell and helped make it the powerhouse it is today. I do not defend current US policy, but to say the US has never deserved respect is fucking bizarre and totally off base.
I thought if this quote so many times with the long battle for the environment. Finally it seemed with Biden, we were there. We tried so many things with ignoring the problems we were creating, buying our way out of them, hiding them, pretending they weren’t real, sending our lead in renewable to China, we exhausted all the possibilities. Finally people realized they can’t hide da in the sand, finally we even got manufacturers to face the truth, finally we were focussed on building industries and supply chains, good jobs for the economy of the future while making the world a better place.
Then we tear it all down over what seems like personal spite. People really think the industries of the 1950s will save them and decided to throw away the industries of the 2020-2040s. Resource extraction and exploitation will save us over high value manufacturing
Look, take Ukraine and imagine had Biden not published intel that Russia was about to invade. The rest of Europe was busy buying too much oil from Putin to care. We then have contributed many Billions in support to keep democracy alive in that country, a neighbor of Poland. Sure, shit all over Trump for unwinding our efforts there, but don’t ignore how much we helped defend Eastern Europe.
Do you honestly think Germany would have been better off without US’s contribution to WW2?
Everyone in here is downvoting me because they have such a short memory and hate Trump, but again, saying the US has never helped the international community is simply way the fuck wrong.
Canada, of its own free will, entered the war in September 1939 because it then realized that Nazi Germany threatened the very existence of Western civilization.
Britain still held power over the constitution - the British North American Act.
Until 1981. When granpapa Trudeau managed to get all of Canada’s premieres to agree on a new constitution and officially sever any official control Britain still had.
And that’s how we got our bill of rights / charter of rights and freedoms.
But we still have royalty on our money and the governor general is still technically the representative of the royals (and can still overrule just about anything with the authority of the crown.)
I’m not, but North Korea being North Korea does not absolve America from reducing the North to rubble and propping up 30 years of authoritarianism in the South.
Yes, they contributed a lot but also done a lot of nasty things such as dropping nukes and importing a lot of horrible war criminals. They also waited before entering the conflict and if it wasn’t for Japan, they might have entered too late.
Bash Trump ‘the Orange’ all you want, but criticism of the timing for entering WW2 is another strange hot take. I’m certain you’d be the same guy accusing the US of war mongering since then. You can’t have it both ways.
Look, we do deserve appreciation for stabilizing the free world and democracy for the last 80 years. Finally when we struggle internally with our own political turmoil, everyone turns their backs on us and shits all over the US, immediately forgetting the stabilization. The anger and turmoil right now is evidence of how much of a positive effect the US has had since WW2. You come off as ungrateful at a time when the US could use some help in the fight against corruption.
Which is a good thing as far as I’m concerned. The US never deserved that trust and respect.
WW2 says wut?
Good point, actually.
Canada declared war on Germany in 1939, because it was the right thing to do.
The USA declared war on Japan two years later, the day after Pearl Harbor. Soon after, Germany and Italy declared war on the USA.
So, like you do realize that prior to our physically entering the war, we ramped up production of war material and basically supplied the allies?
Like, I do respect Canada’s decision, don’t think for a second I’m diminishing that. But if we hadn’t spent time ramping our industrial out put, the allies very probably would have lost. Pearl Harbor gave us a kick in the pants, though we were already building our military to enter. you don’t go from a tiny, basically non existent military to 2.2 million strong overnight.
edit to add: it’s a lot easier to get 11 million people to agree politically than 130 million people. there’s simply more inertia. we can debate about what should have happened, and such. the reality is that we did enter the war indirectly.
Outside of American history, a LOT was happening in the second world war. You may not have been exposed to that education.
Remember that before the US entered the war, it demanded all of the UKs patents. It was a trove worth absolutely billions back then. Mercenaries.
The curriculum you may have seen may typically paint the US as being the single-handed victor to a righteous battle, as the trend goes, but they missed a lot in their summaries.
I’m not saying that’s not true. But it’s equally unfair to say that Americans weren’t contributing to the overall war effort until 41/42 when we entered with troops. the soviets and UK in particular would absolutely have collapsed if we weren’t involved. Also… I can’t find anything indicating the the US demanded UK patents, and certainly not all the patents.
What I am seeing (and what matches what I’ve seen before,) is that there was a mutual transfer of technologies that were largely strategic in choice. it was definitely uneven- some of it was a simple matter that we needed to know how to build the stuff you all wanted. Can’t exactly make torpex without the formula for torpex, right?
I suspect your curriculum was every bit as biased as mine. Which is the normal for history class. most places gloss over the, ah, troublesome, aspects. Germany is one of the very few places I know of that makes an active effort to not.
A German speaking person criticizing US actions during WW2 is absurd. Remind me, what contributions Germany had in that war? America sacrificed tremendously to right the wrongs of Europe in WW2. My grandfather was surrounded in Bastogne during the Battle of the Bulge, survived and went on to liberate several German concentration camps where Jews were being slaughtered and has photos of the piles of dead emaciated bodies to show of it. The allies, yes including your Canada and the US ultimately supported free Germany until the Berlin wall fell and helped make it the powerhouse it is today. I do not defend current US policy, but to say the US has never deserved respect is fucking bizarre and totally off base.
My grandfather came from Poland and was a pow in Germany.
I hope Winston Churchill is English enough to quote.
I thought if this quote so many times with the long battle for the environment. Finally it seemed with Biden, we were there. We tried so many things with ignoring the problems we were creating, buying our way out of them, hiding them, pretending they weren’t real, sending our lead in renewable to China, we exhausted all the possibilities. Finally people realized they can’t hide da in the sand, finally we even got manufacturers to face the truth, finally we were focussed on building industries and supply chains, good jobs for the economy of the future while making the world a better place.
Then we tear it all down over what seems like personal spite. People really think the industries of the 1950s will save them and decided to throw away the industries of the 2020-2040s. Resource extraction and exploitation will save us over high value manufacturing
Look, take Ukraine and imagine had Biden not published intel that Russia was about to invade. The rest of Europe was busy buying too much oil from Putin to care. We then have contributed many Billions in support to keep democracy alive in that country, a neighbor of Poland. Sure, shit all over Trump for unwinding our efforts there, but don’t ignore how much we helped defend Eastern Europe.
Do you honestly think Germany would have been better off without US’s contribution to WW2?
Everyone in here is downvoting me because they have such a short memory and hate Trump, but again, saying the US has never helped the international community is simply way the fuck wrong.
That quote proves America did the right thing.
IIRC Canada declared war on Germany to get independence from Britain, but don’t quote me on that.
This account from 1946 says
https://www.historians.org/resource/what-was-canadas-role-in-world-war-ii/
You aren’t familiar with something that happened in 1867 that might have done that already, eh?
We became a confederated nation then.
A sovereign nation within the commonwealth.
Britain still held power over the constitution - the British North American Act.
Until 1981. When granpapa Trudeau managed to get all of Canada’s premieres to agree on a new constitution and officially sever any official control Britain still had.
And that’s how we got our bill of rights / charter of rights and freedoms.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_Act,_1982
But we still have royalty on our money and the governor general is still technically the representative of the royals (and can still overrule just about anything with the authority of the crown.)
I mean okay but right after you had the Korean war so… uh… yeah.
Wait, are you taking North Korea’s side in that conflict? Bwahahaha.
I’m not, but North Korea being North Korea does not absolve America from reducing the North to rubble and propping up 30 years of authoritarianism in the South.
No, he’s saying it was none of our business. We weren’t exporting democracy, just extreme capitalism.
It does nothing to refute the US’s contribution to WW2, a non sequitur at best.
Yes, they contributed a lot but also done a lot of nasty things such as dropping nukes and importing a lot of horrible war criminals. They also waited before entering the conflict and if it wasn’t for Japan, they might have entered too late.
Bash Trump ‘the Orange’ all you want, but criticism of the timing for entering WW2 is another strange hot take. I’m certain you’d be the same guy accusing the US of war mongering since then. You can’t have it both ways.
Look, we do deserve appreciation for stabilizing the free world and democracy for the last 80 years. Finally when we struggle internally with our own political turmoil, everyone turns their backs on us and shits all over the US, immediately forgetting the stabilization. The anger and turmoil right now is evidence of how much of a positive effect the US has had since WW2. You come off as ungrateful at a time when the US could use some help in the fight against corruption.
You are the number one contributor of doing coups in other countries.