I just can’t stand the “adult woman talking/singing in a breathy small child’s voice” style that’s so popular in Japan, and Hatsune Miku is that squared.
Edit: here’s a related article for anyone curious about why that phenomenon may exist. In a nutshell: gender inequality.
that’s totally a fair point, it’s definitely not for everyone. but I would like to point out that how Miku sounds depends heavily on the composer and how they tune her, so while a lot of her music falls into that category, alot of it doesnt. she is essentially an instrument after all.
The article claims there is a correlation between gender gap and high-pitched voices, but it does not imply causation.
Also it’s simply not true. There’s lots of countries where gender inequality is significantly higher than in Japan (look at any african country basically, or Muslim countries), yet women there don’t speak with such a high-pitched voice, IMO.
Apart from that, the article gives me serious “beauty is oppression, and flirting is rape” vibes. Like the kind of messaging that is typically provided by nowadays “feminist” outlets who do in fact not focus on the social and socio-economic goal of improving the position of women in society as we/they are (fair-ness or true equality), but instead tries to focus on same-ness and abandoning that women dress pretty because oh no, she does that because she’s pressured by men in a patriarchic society to do so.
If you have any sources beyond “IMO” I’d be interested. Until then, I’ll consider the correlative data to possibly have merit at least worth consideration and further (personal) investigation, especially since it was never stated or even suggested to be definitive or a universal phenomenon. The article is also anything but comprehensive, so I think you’d need to review the actual data to debunk anything.
Edit: I also never stated this was the sole and definitive cause, only that it may explain it. I’m a scientist, I know better than to definitively state just about anything, even in my own field, but I’ll still share interesting articles without busting out a MANOVA.
The article outlined reasons for that to be happening in Japan, and references India for similarity, it didn’t imply that that is a universal response to gender inequality, simply that the reason for that specific phenomenon in Japanese culture is likely because of gender inequality, which seems more than a reasonable conclusion to me, especially when you look at the 80’s business woman culture era and how there was a decline in that specific behavior.
Also, I’m very much not seeing what you’re saying about your interpretation of feminism being present in the article. Gender inequality is a thing, objectively, to address that as a part that plays relevance in any given context doesn’t require feminist values.
just listened to Hatsune Miku and now I know I can’t be trans
Miku is a computer program, the quality of what you get depends on who’s making the music.
Some songs I’ve liked:
BLACK ROCK SHOOTER
Love is War
The Disappearance of Hatsune Miku
Lots of Laugh
These are all old af. But the point is Hatsune Miku is more like an instrument.
thanks for sharing but it is really not my genre
I just can’t stand the “adult woman talking/singing in a breathy small child’s voice” style that’s so popular in Japan, and Hatsune Miku is that squared.
Edit: here’s a related article for anyone curious about why that phenomenon may exist. In a nutshell: gender inequality.
that’s totally a fair point, it’s definitely not for everyone. but I would like to point out that how Miku sounds depends heavily on the composer and how they tune her, so while a lot of her music falls into that category, alot of it doesnt. she is essentially an instrument after all.
The article claims there is a correlation between gender gap and high-pitched voices, but it does not imply causation.
Also it’s simply not true. There’s lots of countries where gender inequality is significantly higher than in Japan (look at any african country basically, or Muslim countries), yet women there don’t speak with such a high-pitched voice, IMO.
Apart from that, the article gives me serious “beauty is oppression, and flirting is rape” vibes. Like the kind of messaging that is typically provided by nowadays “feminist” outlets who do in fact not focus on the social and socio-economic goal of improving the position of women in society as we/they are (fair-ness or true equality), but instead tries to focus on same-ness and abandoning that women dress pretty because oh no, she does that because she’s pressured by men in a patriarchic society to do so.
If you have any sources beyond “IMO” I’d be interested. Until then, I’ll consider the correlative data to possibly have merit at least worth consideration and further (personal) investigation, especially since it was never stated or even suggested to be definitive or a universal phenomenon. The article is also anything but comprehensive, so I think you’d need to review the actual data to debunk anything.
Edit: I also never stated this was the sole and definitive cause, only that it may explain it. I’m a scientist, I know better than to definitively state just about anything, even in my own field, but I’ll still share interesting articles without busting out a MANOVA.
The article outlined reasons for that to be happening in Japan, and references India for similarity, it didn’t imply that that is a universal response to gender inequality, simply that the reason for that specific phenomenon in Japanese culture is likely because of gender inequality, which seems more than a reasonable conclusion to me, especially when you look at the 80’s business woman culture era and how there was a decline in that specific behavior.
Also, I’m very much not seeing what you’re saying about your interpretation of feminism being present in the article. Gender inequality is a thing, objectively, to address that as a part that plays relevance in any given context doesn’t require feminist values.
yeah I feel the same
I didn’t realize Mikunhas been a round for that long…
Originally released in 2004.
Absolutely wild, thank you!
Well now we have to find you good Miku songs just in case you are trans.
https://youtu.be/Ljr2wMSBHqU
here’s another one for anyone interested, it’s definitely a very different genre though
https://youtu.be/TXfJVNqaHiM
are there really people who unironically listen to this stuff?
(coming from someone who listens to quirky kpop songs)
yeah
It’s not for everyone but I like it
well i didn’t mean anything by it, I’m glad you have something to enjoy
All of these are tremendously grating to me. Obviously I’m not the target audience, because as the other reply says this character is super popular.
I don’t know about the exact stats, but 49 million views in 5 months can’t all be ironically, certainly?
Hatsune Miku can into symphonic orchestra