Then, after you get “saved” from suicide, they strip you of your rights and shove you in a cell for up to five days.
And that attitude is what the staff will have towards you. You are there to be punished for daring to be suicidal and trying to reject the gift of life. You’ll probably lose your job after the hospital stay, and then get stuck with thousands in bills for the “treatment” (sitting in a room watching day time tv while you listen to people in psychosis or dementia getting the shit beaten out of them by the staff.)
But this is a good thing! It’s so much better to be alive then not dead, that’s why we need to abuse suicidal people!
Yepo. I was on a 72hr hold after a manic episode caused by a med interaction (Wellbutrin, took away the mild depression but let the massive anxiety run wild) and it was the worst fucking experience of my life. Literally just stick you in a program that doesn’t give a fuck about why your there, just headcount they can bill for. I was perfectly fine like 2hrs after I got locked in and spent the remaining 70hrs climbing the walls.
0/10 Do not recommend. And this was in Massachusetts, a place wildly known for good healthcare.
I’m in Oklahoma. I went in voluntary a few months ago for suicidal ideation (which I think is a rational reaction to the events of November…)
They upgraded me to involuntary illegally (like, a single therapist accused me of lying when I said I was no longer suicidal, and made the call to hold me.) I had vape smoke blown in my face, was misgendered and assaulted by staff.
I won’t call 988 or any service like that ever. There is no accountability or safety here
Never call 988. Choose life or choose death, do not choose the additional 25 thousand dollar bill, degradation, trauma, and suffering that comes from 988. It’s a trap and the only people who win are big pharma, psychiatric inpatient facility investors or owners, and rich psychiatrists who sling drugs (that barely do more than a placebo), sling false hope, and sling financial exploitation.
We should not. Instead of taking care of it privately, those with ideations would try to kick off or perpetuate a hot war. Those tend to catch people who weren’t in that pickle up in them.
Battle doesn’t require war. We can bring back raiding I know of quite a few churches that deserve to have the copper wires stripped out of the walls. Imagine the price for scrapping a shitty Mormon temple.
i always thought (and pretty sure this is the case in most places) that suicide was technically a crime to give police an excuse to bust in to stop an attempt if needed. not to put people in fucking jail for failing to go through with it.
but then again the us would like any excuse to incarcerate people so who knows.
They don’t put you in jail - they put you in a “hospital” you can’t leave, which is basically a jail that pretends it helps you. Instead, you get maybe 15 minutes with a psychiatrist (I don’t understand how the one from my suicide attempt passed his TOEFL), who will prescribe you anti depressants. Leaving is contingent on agreeing to take these anti depressants. All of the other staff are random, uncertified people who have the legal right to physically assault you. These are the same people that decide whether to give you a grievance form after beating you up (which gets tossed in the trash anyway.)
Research suggests that suicide rates go up after inpatient hospitalization. A substantial aspect of my PTSD is related to abuse as a child in inpatient facilities. I’m an adult that still has nightmares over this shit.
Because there is no way to prove involuntary care makes suicide more likely (since those with a financial interest will always say the post-release suicides were hospitalized due to having worse mental health), the grifting of the downtrodden will continue.
I long for the day a genius statisitcian finds a way to prove what all involuntarily treated people already know.
Having internet was the only thing that kept me sane while staying on the wards, which is darkly ironic considering why I was in there in the first place.
I’ve read on threads like these that in the USA and Canada actual therapy is provided for inpatients though, which is something useful at least. In the UK, inpatient facilities are literally just holding pens till they decide if you’re well enough (able to put up with the abhorrent behaviour of the staff without swearing or being visibly distressed for at least 3 days) to be released.
Trust me, you DO NOT want to use the NHS for mental health stuff.
Too much of my c/ptsd is from nhsmh services now. The sheer amount of blatantly ignored abuse on those wards has left me terrified of hospitals, healthcare workers and doctors. They can do anything to you in there and you have no voice or rights. They decide what gets written down about you. They decide what happens to you and you belongings.
I’ve been told by several people who’ve been in/worked in prisons, that you have more rights and safety oversights in prisons that on mh wards here.
Out patient care is not much better either. 5+ year waiting lists for 30 minutes of cbt ever 6 weeks to treat your suicidal depression brought on by chronically shit living conditions, isn’t going to be at all helpful.
Nor is 7+ years on a waiting list to see a burnt out healthcare worker for ten minutes, who immediatly decides you’re malingering without listening to you or reading your supporting paper work, so you are now deemed unworthy of progressing up the ladder to join a waiting list to see a specialist for your condition.
Wow so your healthcare is chronically underfunded too. Do you also have the privatization ghouls constantly scratching at the edges as well? I hate those guys. Don’t know how to get rid of them, because the well-off folks want to let them in (to the henhouse).
Our current ‘Labour’ government is increasingly far right, despite their once socialist origins. The Conservatives who were in for over a decade before them, gutted and sold off a lot of the NHS, and now Sir Kid Harmer is twisting the knife and finishing the job.
We could have fixed this had the Israeli funded hate crime of our ruling class not slandered and ousted Jeremy Corbyn from the Labour Party. He is a socialist who supports actual human rights, both here and in Palestine. Had he been allowed to be PM instead of Starmer, the privatisation of everything was going to end.
No no, you don’t get it. You have to suicide the slow American way with cancer and heart disease. Pick your favorite form of socially acceptable self mutilation today!
Then, after you get “saved” from suicide, they strip you of your rights and shove you in a cell for up to five days.
And that attitude is what the staff will have towards you. You are there to be punished for daring to be suicidal and trying to reject the gift of life. You’ll probably lose your job after the hospital stay, and then get stuck with thousands in bills for the “treatment” (sitting in a room watching day time tv while you listen to people in psychosis or dementia getting the shit beaten out of them by the staff.)
But this is a good thing! It’s so much better to be alive then not dead, that’s why we need to abuse suicidal people!
Yepo. I was on a 72hr hold after a manic episode caused by a med interaction (Wellbutrin, took away the mild depression but let the massive anxiety run wild) and it was the worst fucking experience of my life. Literally just stick you in a program that doesn’t give a fuck about why your there, just headcount they can bill for. I was perfectly fine like 2hrs after I got locked in and spent the remaining 70hrs climbing the walls.
0/10 Do not recommend. And this was in Massachusetts, a place wildly known for good healthcare.
I’m in Oklahoma. I went in voluntary a few months ago for suicidal ideation (which I think is a rational reaction to the events of November…)
They upgraded me to involuntary illegally (like, a single therapist accused me of lying when I said I was no longer suicidal, and made the call to hold me.) I had vape smoke blown in my face, was misgendered and assaulted by staff.
I won’t call 988 or any service like that ever. There is no accountability or safety here
Never call 988. Choose life or choose death, do not choose the additional 25 thousand dollar bill, degradation, trauma, and suffering that comes from 988. It’s a trap and the only people who win are big pharma, psychiatric inpatient facility investors or owners, and rich psychiatrists who sling drugs (that barely do more than a placebo), sling false hope, and sling financial exploitation.
Just say no to 988!
Just for context, 988 is a Canadian suicide crisis helpline.
That’s so disappointing that one of the first resources that comes up when searching for help would be, essentially, a trap.
We should make dying in battle a good thing again. The wrong kind of peace is a blight upon society.
We should not. Instead of taking care of it privately, those with ideations would try to kick off or perpetuate a hot war. Those tend to catch people who weren’t in that pickle up in them.
Battle doesn’t require war. We can bring back raiding I know of quite a few churches that deserve to have the copper wires stripped out of the walls. Imagine the price for scrapping a shitty Mormon temple.
i always thought (and pretty sure this is the case in most places) that suicide was technically a crime to give police an excuse to bust in to stop an attempt if needed. not to put people in fucking jail for failing to go through with it.
but then again the us would like any excuse to incarcerate people so who knows.
They don’t put you in jail - they put you in a “hospital” you can’t leave, which is basically a jail that pretends it helps you. Instead, you get maybe 15 minutes with a psychiatrist (I don’t understand how the one from my suicide attempt passed his TOEFL), who will prescribe you anti depressants. Leaving is contingent on agreeing to take these anti depressants. All of the other staff are random, uncertified people who have the legal right to physically assault you. These are the same people that decide whether to give you a grievance form after beating you up (which gets tossed in the trash anyway.)
Research suggests that suicide rates go up after inpatient hospitalization. A substantial aspect of my PTSD is related to abuse as a child in inpatient facilities. I’m an adult that still has nightmares over this shit.
Because there is no way to prove involuntary care makes suicide more likely (since those with a financial interest will always say the post-release suicides were hospitalized due to having worse mental health), the grifting of the downtrodden will continue.
I long for the day a genius statisitcian finds a way to prove what all involuntarily treated people already know.
American detected.
They do the same in the UK too
At least in the uk they let us keep our phones and provide free wifi/Internet access.
Oh I was never allowed a phone or internet
Having internet was the only thing that kept me sane while staying on the wards, which is darkly ironic considering why I was in there in the first place.
I’ve read on threads like these that in the USA and Canada actual therapy is provided for inpatients though, which is something useful at least. In the UK, inpatient facilities are literally just holding pens till they decide if you’re well enough (able to put up with the abhorrent behaviour of the staff without swearing or being visibly distressed for at least 3 days) to be released.
I thought you have the NHS (and European style sick leave).
Trust me, you DO NOT want to use the NHS for mental health stuff.
Too much of my c/ptsd is from nhsmh services now. The sheer amount of blatantly ignored abuse on those wards has left me terrified of hospitals, healthcare workers and doctors. They can do anything to you in there and you have no voice or rights. They decide what gets written down about you. They decide what happens to you and you belongings.
I’ve been told by several people who’ve been in/worked in prisons, that you have more rights and safety oversights in prisons that on mh wards here.
Out patient care is not much better either. 5+ year waiting lists for 30 minutes of cbt ever 6 weeks to treat your suicidal depression brought on by chronically shit living conditions, isn’t going to be at all helpful. Nor is 7+ years on a waiting list to see a burnt out healthcare worker for ten minutes, who immediatly decides you’re malingering without listening to you or reading your supporting paper work, so you are now deemed unworthy of progressing up the ladder to join a waiting list to see a specialist for your condition.
Wow so your healthcare is chronically underfunded too. Do you also have the privatization ghouls constantly scratching at the edges as well? I hate those guys. Don’t know how to get rid of them, because the well-off folks want to let them in (to the henhouse).
Our current ‘Labour’ government is increasingly far right, despite their once socialist origins. The Conservatives who were in for over a decade before them, gutted and sold off a lot of the NHS, and now Sir Kid Harmer is twisting the knife and finishing the job.
We could have fixed this had the Israeli funded hate crime of our ruling class not slandered and ousted Jeremy Corbyn from the Labour Party. He is a socialist who supports actual human rights, both here and in Palestine. Had he been allowed to be PM instead of Starmer, the privatisation of everything was going to end.
This is why I never told anyone when I held a gun to my head. I was afraid it would ruin my life after I didn’t do it.
It would have. You made the right call to tell no one. I hope you are doing better and are happier.
I am thank you. I am married now and don’t even think about that choice anymore!
No no, you don’t get it. You have to suicide the slow American way with cancer and heart disease. Pick your favorite form of socially acceptable self mutilation today!