My friend, it’s important to keep in mind that abstract concepts have real impact on real people. Innocent people kidnapped to CECOT are losing their lives because their constitutional right to due process under the law is not being respected. We don’t just want the real prison to be nicer.
What you write sounds very emotional, and that is precisely the issue.
There are for times as much drunk driving related deaths in the US every damn year than died in the 9/11 attacks. Of course it is a tragedy. But it has been used, and is still used, as a tool for emotional manipulation.
The attacks have been used as justification to destabilise a whole region to this date, uprooted the lives of millions, directly resulted in the death of countless civilians. Not to mention that it has been used to erode civil rights in a manner that was unthinkable for a liberal democracy before.
But if you try to mention this, the switch flips in people’s head, and you become the enemy. It is emotional manipulation, plain and simple.
Hiroshima had a lot of deaths as well, so had Tokyo or Dresden. There are very real ethical questions in there. But let’s not forget that the axis powers did the London Blitz first, the total war, the trains and death camps and the mass graves in Russia, China and Korea and countless other crimes.
Besides, it is accepted to discuss the ethics of the WW2 bombings now. I distinctly remember doing so in school. But 9/11? No. They conditioned the US to believe that the end justifies all means, even if the means are bombs on hospitals and civilians dying of starvation.
-150 000 children now will be born with HIV because of trump.
-remove food regulation, how many millions will get cancer in usa.
-covid, throw in another 100 000s ppl because of his incompetence and rather give his russians friends the testing machines, instead of Americans.
-crashing the economy, agony, suicides. weakening USA and your foreign aid that saved over 25 million ppl is gone. millions more to die becuase of trump.
-his incompetence in ukraine, 100 000s of dead. would be very easy to push back russia if you support ukraine with weapons, forcing russia to surrender.
Is it violence only when there’s a bullet fired, a knife stabbing or an explosive collision?
There are plenty of ways to inflict violence on another just by way of policy and letting extremists have their way with no constraints.
Would you say the millions upon millions of people who died under Hitler’s policies aren’t comparable to the “lots of real people” of 9/11 just because it wasn’t Hitler himself firing all the bullets and setting off all the gas chambers? All violence can be traced back from the direct perpetrator to the one who gave the order, and both are accountable for it.
Is it violence only when there’s a bullet fired, a knife stabbing or an explosive collision?
There are plenty of ways to inflict violence on another just by way of policy and letting extremists have their way with no constraints.
Would you say the millions upon millions of people who died under Hitler’s policies aren’t comparable to the “lots of real people” of 9/11 just because it wasn’t Hitler himself firing all the bullets and setting off all the gas chambers? All violence can be traced back from the direct perpetrator to the one who gave the order, and both are accountable for it.
Lots of real people actually died on 911.
Imagine believing that losing the constitution and “us law” is similar to even a single life. They’re both racist authoritarian trash.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion
So you’re saying the people that have died and continue to die due to Trump’s policies aren’t ‘real people’?
My friend, it’s important to keep in mind that abstract concepts have real impact on real people. Innocent people kidnapped to CECOT are losing their lives because their constitutional right to due process under the law is not being respected. We don’t just want the real prison to be nicer.
Over a million Americans died to covid, and his administration chose to not send ventilators to blue states because they didn’t deserve the help.
The joke in Team America is that the destruction they’re trying to prevent be 9/11 times 1000. Well, covid had gotten us to almost half at 1.2 million. https://www.pnas.org/doi/epub/10.1073/pnas.2313661121
He and his administration helped covid kill many people directly and indirectly by sewing doubt in the CDC.
Citations please.
Also people have died already from trumps choices. A lot of people. Probably much more than 9/11.
The “war on terror” killed more innocent civilians alone.
Hiroshima had a lot of deaths too. Do you have a point to make or do you just want to point out random shit that doesn’t matter?
What you write sounds very emotional, and that is precisely the issue.
There are for times as much drunk driving related deaths in the US every damn year than died in the 9/11 attacks. Of course it is a tragedy. But it has been used, and is still used, as a tool for emotional manipulation.
The attacks have been used as justification to destabilise a whole region to this date, uprooted the lives of millions, directly resulted in the death of countless civilians. Not to mention that it has been used to erode civil rights in a manner that was unthinkable for a liberal democracy before.
But if you try to mention this, the switch flips in people’s head, and you become the enemy. It is emotional manipulation, plain and simple.
Hiroshima had a lot of deaths as well, so had Tokyo or Dresden. There are very real ethical questions in there. But let’s not forget that the axis powers did the London Blitz first, the total war, the trains and death camps and the mass graves in Russia, China and Korea and countless other crimes.
Besides, it is accepted to discuss the ethics of the WW2 bombings now. I distinctly remember doing so in school. But 9/11? No. They conditioned the US to believe that the end justifies all means, even if the means are bombs on hospitals and civilians dying of starvation.
I’m not reading that but thank you for trying
And, that is precisely the issue, summed up in one sentence.
1 tweet from trump kills more ppl then 9/11.
-150 000 children now will be born with HIV because of trump. -remove food regulation, how many millions will get cancer in usa. -covid, throw in another 100 000s ppl because of his incompetence and rather give his russians friends the testing machines, instead of Americans. -crashing the economy, agony, suicides. weakening USA and your foreign aid that saved over 25 million ppl is gone. millions more to die becuase of trump. -his incompetence in ukraine, 100 000s of dead. would be very easy to push back russia if you support ukraine with weapons, forcing russia to surrender.
Tens of thousands have already died this year directly due to Trump abruptly cutting off medical aid across the globe.
Is it violence only when there’s a bullet fired, a knife stabbing or an explosive collision?
There are plenty of ways to inflict violence on another just by way of policy and letting extremists have their way with no constraints.
Would you say the millions upon millions of people who died under Hitler’s policies aren’t comparable to the “lots of real people” of 9/11 just because it wasn’t Hitler himself firing all the bullets and setting off all the gas chambers? All violence can be traced back from the direct perpetrator to the one who gave the order, and both are accountable for it.
Is it violence only when there’s a bullet fired, a knife stabbing or an explosive collision?
There are plenty of ways to inflict violence on another just by way of policy and letting extremists have their way with no constraints.
Would you say the millions upon millions of people who died under Hitler’s policies aren’t comparable to the “lots of real people” of 9/11 just because it wasn’t Hitler himself firing all the bullets and setting off all the gas chambers? All violence can be traced back from the direct perpetrator to the one who gave the order, and both are accountable for it.