So do 100% concentrated evil, but they also wipe their arses with the constitution, set up concentration camps, and literally ruin the political and economic position of the US.
Concentration camps have been a thing for most of the US’ existence, have become super widespread in recent decades (as in, the children in cages) and they’re completely bipartisan. At one point, there were twice as many children detained under Biden than at Trump’s highest.
You might not have known it until now (doubtful) but if I know democrats, you’re gonna handwave it away even though you no longer have that excuse. Democrats are no more than the left wing of fascism and so is anyone who treats these abuses as irrelevant distractions from the real issues, that is, the comforts of white people.
I can see that Biden held twice children at the border at one time than Trump at his highest. I can see that weapons and money to Israel skyrocketed under Biden. I can see that Obama alone prosecuted more whistleblowers than the US had prosecuted in its entire history.
If you only count it as fascism when it starts affecting white people half as much as it was affecting the rest of us then you can’t be surprised we consider you just as much of a fascist as them.
Biden held twice children at the border at one time than Trump at his highest
In your own source it very clearly outlines that it was not due to a more hostile border policy, but rather an increase in the number of people actually showing up at the border in the first place.
Did Biden do some god awful things? Of course he fucking did. But what Trump is doing (and especially what he says he wants to do more of) is infinitely worse than what Biden did.
I can see that weapons and money to Israel skyrocketed under Biden.
If you wanted to reduce the amount of aid being given to Israel, maybe start with the party that did something to limit the aid being given to a degree, instead of the one actively adding on even more while repealing the limits.
“Since taking office, the Trump Administration has approved nearly $12 billion in major FMS sales to Israel. This important decision coincides with President Trump’s repeal of a Biden-era memorandum which had imposed baseless and politicized conditions on military assistance to Israel at a time when our close ally was fighting a war of survival on multiple fronts against Iran and terror proxies.”
I can see that Obama alone prosecuted more whistleblowers than the US had prosecuted in its entire history.
If you can’t see the pattern of Republicans just being Democrats but substantially worse, then it’s no surprise you pull this “both sides are the same” argument.
Does anybody like the fact that the Democrats are just the watered down fascist party? Of course not. But if you’re going to try and better this fucking country, you don’t do that by saying “the fascists and the less fascist people are identical, actually” and then ruin your own chances of having a more sympathetic administration by easily allowing the fascists to trick people into thinking they’re just like the Democrats, and so more Democrat voters should feel okay with voting for them and their substantially worse policies.
I’ve said it before to so many people on this platform, and I’ll say it again:
You do not increase your chances of enacting beneficial changes to this country when you support the larger evil, or act as though the larger evil and the lesser evil are identical. All you do is make it easier for the larger evil to gain power, no matter how much you personally advocate for better policies.
No because that is only a half truth. You are willfully ignorant of the other half of the equation. One side is measurably more damaging to the US and the world overall. You don’t get to “both sides” this.
And yet one of them does significantly more to ruin the planet than the other.
If you want the highest possible chance of changing the world for the better, you want a party in power that is the least bad of the options available to you. That doesn’t mean that party is good in itself, but it’s certainly the best chance you’ll get.
If you want to save the climate, for instance, the party that’s open to developing more clean energy, even if they still support fossil fuels in some capacity, is better than the one actively dismantling climate regulations, halting clean energy development, and increasing our fossil fuel production to an even higher rate.
Nobody likes this duopoly, but when you live under one, you have to pick the side that will do the least harm in order to implement your own goals to reduce harm further.
This doesn’t mean the Democrats are inherently good, but they’re certainly going to give you a better shot at improving the world than the neo-Nazis will.
Users on Lemmy.ml or Lemmygrad.ml tend to be Marxists of some kind, which means they tend to have similar analysis, though many Lemmy.ml users aren’t Marxists, but also Anarchists or even liberals.
The Democrats suck but there’s a huge difference between voting for boring corporatists and 100% concentrated evil. Don’t make me tap the chart.
“boring corporatists” are destroying our planet and making it unlivable.
So do 100% concentrated evil, but they also wipe their arses with the constitution, set up concentration camps, and literally ruin the political and economic position of the US.
The democrats also set up concentration camps. And the US uses its political and economic position to commit genocide, ruining it is a good thing
An unlivable planet is worse than all those things
You don’t get it.
They are destroying the planet on top of all the other things.
If both parties are pro-ending the world then everything else is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic
They are also doing that too.
Thanks for agreeing with me that on the biggest most important issues both sides are the same
Are you conflating corporatism and concentration camps because they start with the same letter or are you really this fucking stupid?
Concentration camps have been a thing for most of the US’ existence, have become super widespread in recent decades (as in, the children in cages) and they’re completely bipartisan. At one point, there were twice as many children detained under Biden than at Trump’s highest.
You might not have known it until now (doubtful) but if I know democrats, you’re gonna handwave it away even though you no longer have that excuse. Democrats are no more than the left wing of fascism and so is anyone who treats these abuses as irrelevant distractions from the real issues, that is, the comforts of white people.
You seem to have concluded with no evidence that I’m a Democrat. That’s cute.
Ruining the planet for everyone is worse than anything else and on that issue both sides are the same
It’ll be ruined much faster with the red party in control. I guess we are gonna speed run the decline thanks to people like you.
If you can’t see the difference between a centrist party and a far-right fascist one, then I hold no hope for your political literacy going forward.
I can see that Biden held twice children at the border at one time than Trump at his highest. I can see that weapons and money to Israel skyrocketed under Biden. I can see that Obama alone prosecuted more whistleblowers than the US had prosecuted in its entire history.
If you only count it as fascism when it starts affecting white people half as much as it was affecting the rest of us then you can’t be surprised we consider you just as much of a fascist as them.
In your own source it very clearly outlines that it was not due to a more hostile border policy, but rather an increase in the number of people actually showing up at the border in the first place.
Meanwhile, Trump is not only keeping those people there, but also ending the refugee resettlement program, deporting people to El Salvador without due process, actively spreading misinformation about immigrants, and black-bagging American citizens, including native Americans.
Did Biden do some god awful things? Of course he fucking did. But what Trump is doing (and especially what he says he wants to do more of) is infinitely worse than what Biden did.
And here’s the secretary of state chosen by Trump actively expediting 4 billion dollars of additional military assistance to Israel while directly mentioning the fact that it goes against the Biden admin’s partial arms embargo.
If you wanted to reduce the amount of aid being given to Israel, maybe start with the party that did something to limit the aid being given to a degree, instead of the one actively adding on even more while repealing the limits.
Yep, that’s awful too. Too bad your own source also mentions that “six cases were tried during the presidency of Donald Trump between 2017 and 2021.” and guess what? Trump is now actively trying to fire the head of the agency that protects government whistleblowers.
If you can’t see the pattern of Republicans just being Democrats but substantially worse, then it’s no surprise you pull this “both sides are the same” argument.
Does anybody like the fact that the Democrats are just the watered down fascist party? Of course not. But if you’re going to try and better this fucking country, you don’t do that by saying “the fascists and the less fascist people are identical, actually” and then ruin your own chances of having a more sympathetic administration by easily allowing the fascists to trick people into thinking they’re just like the Democrats, and so more Democrat voters should feel okay with voting for them and their substantially worse policies.
I’ve said it before to so many people on this platform, and I’ll say it again: You do not increase your chances of enacting beneficial changes to this country when you support the larger evil, or act as though the larger evil and the lesser evil are identical. All you do is make it easier for the larger evil to gain power, no matter how much you personally advocate for better policies.
Both parties are ruining the planet, we agree on that, let’s leave it there
No because that is only a half truth. You are willfully ignorant of the other half of the equation. One side is measurably more damaging to the US and the world overall. You don’t get to “both sides” this.
And yet one of them does significantly more to ruin the planet than the other.
If you want the highest possible chance of changing the world for the better, you want a party in power that is the least bad of the options available to you. That doesn’t mean that party is good in itself, but it’s certainly the best chance you’ll get.
If you want to save the climate, for instance, the party that’s open to developing more clean energy, even if they still support fossil fuels in some capacity, is better than the one actively dismantling climate regulations, halting clean energy development, and increasing our fossil fuel production to an even higher rate.
Nobody likes this duopoly, but when you live under one, you have to pick the side that will do the least harm in order to implement your own goals to reduce harm further.
This doesn’t mean the Democrats are inherently good, but they’re certainly going to give you a better shot at improving the world than the neo-Nazis will.
Sure, I’ve now got nothing left to say.
I honestly thought reddit was bad but the “both siders are evil” morons here are way worse.
Why didn’t the “boring corporatists” shut down the concentration camps when they were in power?
It’s because we have the Nazi party and the Nazi collaborator party. And somehow voting for the latter is just.
And there’s a huge difference between fifty degrees below zero and absolute zero. But both are lethal to humans if exposed to it for a night.
Another reminder that BlueMaga don’t consider Palestinians human; their complete extermination is just “boring corporatism”
Pretending Democrats aren’t corporatists is just dishonest at this point.
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“We don’t have to argue with Communists, we can just call them dirty commies and plug our ears”
When the commies refuse to grasp reality that is what people will say.
It sure must be convenient to be able to simply gesture and posture around, rather than grapple with the arguments of others.
I’m new here and just trying to fit in… I guess I was confused after seeing all the people with .ml after their names do the exact same shit.
Users on Lemmy.ml or Lemmygrad.ml tend to be Marxists of some kind, which means they tend to have similar analysis, though many Lemmy.ml users aren’t Marxists, but also Anarchists or even liberals.
I’m fully aware. That doesn’t change my statement. That’s not even relevant to the discussion.
Are you saying its ok for for them to simply gesture and posture rather than grapple with arguments? I really don’t see why you typed that.
Your statement was empty, though. You just dodged having to engage with the argument. You were the one gesturing.
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Sounds like someone who is really confident in the strength of their arguments and the courage of their convictions