Summary

Trump snapped at a reporter who asked how much economic pain he was willing to inflict amid plunging markets triggered by his new tariffs.

Speaking after a weekend at his Florida resort, Trump dismissed speculation he was trying to crash the market, claiming tariffs would bring in “$1 trillion” and spur U.S. manufacturing.

When asked about a pain threshold for Americans, he called the question “so stupid,” arguing economic “medicine” was necessary to reverse decades of “stupid leadership.”

He insisted the strategy would make the U.S. “solid and strong again.”

  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.zip
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    20 days ago

    I am trying to give him a delusional level of benefit of thr doubt in thinking that some fucking how these tariffs actually result in 1 trillion in new US manufacturing industries/investments.

    Even by his own… “”““logic””“” … his plan makes no fucking sense.

    Of course yes, in reality… it makes even less sense, because you don’t get new manufacturing in a very high cost of living country without extremely well thought out industrial policy, subsidies, ways to attract needed talent, and investment, and … you get it.

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      Yep, but unfortunately it’s not going to matter how much manufacturing relocates to the US. The rest of the world is now starting to boycot US products en masse. Some countries are even banning investment into the US. And travel to the US is declining. So their trade deficit is going to get far worse.

      On top of that, there was news yesterday that Trump removed the ban on the use of "forever chemicals, " like PFAS. So that’ll mean some US products won’t be allowed to be imported into other countries.

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        Yep. Im a US citizen, we are so beyond fucked it is actually funny, at least a third of the population are in a hardcore fascist cult of personality, our media is dominated by idiots gargling the balls of even more powerful and even more stupid idiots.

        If anyone wants to do a sham marriage, I’d love to be able to leave.

        I got basically crippled in an assault and now live off of SSDI. If Soc Security gets gutted further… I’m fucked, on the streets homeless, in a wheelchair.

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      I mean he covers that in the article. He straight says the tariffs will bring in money and then the new manufacturing will bring in more on top of that:

      Those tariffs next year will make us $1 trillion, in addition to the $1 trillion thousands of companies are going to relocate back into the United States,

      I still genuinely am not sure if he legitimately understands tariffs. Like, surely he knows they are paid by the importer. He has to right? But time and time and time again he says that other countries will pay the money. I’m assuming he’s just lying but I can’t even tell anymore.

      Regardless this $1 trillion he’s claiming are absolutely just a tax on Americans.

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        He is acting like there is basically perfectly inelastic demand for Americans to pay for imports and importers to pay the tariffs.

        Elasticity is basically how demand changes in accordance with price.

        Generally speaking, absolute necessities like food, water, housing… are less elastic than unneccesary luxuries.

        … But… basically nothing is perfectly in elastic.

        If anything was, the price could literally be either infinite, or totally free… and demand would not change.

        Obviously that is nonsense. Even if you die without food, demand will drop if a meal costs a billion dollars.

        Trump is acting like the US is so lucrative a market that… our volume of imports will be… the same… and … the importers just have infinite money to pay tariffs… and not do cost pass thru to consumers.

        Even though every economist since the 1700s will tell you tariffs result in less imports, and higher prices for consumers.

        He seems to genuinely think he is directly taxing other countries, when he is… just taxing American consumers and importers.

        Its like when Elon got mad at advertisers leaving twitter and he threatened to sue them for… not buying his ad service.

        These coddled corrupt criminal capitalists have gotten so used to just always getting their way… that they’ve broken fundamental underlying concepts of how the ‘free market’ works.

        Their worldviews are internally inconsistent and do not make sense, they hold fundamentally contradictory ideas simultaneously, and when people point this out, they flail and bitch and moan and insult like the petulant spoiled brats they are, because facing the contradiction, resolving the cognitive dissonance would cause ego death… which is the same as suicide for a megalomaniacal narcissist.

        For them, it is literally:

        I can’t be wrong.

        Ergo, everyone else is.

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        It’s like the wall, really. But so much bigger, as big as it is reshaping global trade. Like the wall, it will never become a reality, except in some specific parts of the border. Well, some specific parts of the USA economy will still work, the American consumer market is irreplaceable in some extent, for now.

        I would think regular Americans are already being affected by this?

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          Yep.

          He just assumes he has god mode on and whatever he says will happen the way he says it will.

          Megalomaniacal psycopathic narcissist.

          Dark triad shit.

          A pampered life of being born into money, never being told no, raping whoever he wants, scamming whoever he wants, … never any consequences.