Berlin’s immigration authorities are moving to deport four young foreign residents on allegations related to participation in protests against Israel’s war on Gaza, an unprecedented move that raises serious concerns over civil liberties in Germany.
The deportation orders, issued under German migration law, were made amid political pressure and over internal objections from the head of the state of Berlin’s immigration agency.
The internal strife arose because three of those targeted for deportation are citizens of European Union member states who normally enjoy freedom of movement between E.U. countries. None of the four has been convicted of any crimes.
“What we’re seeing here is straight out of the far right’s playbook,” said Alexander Gorski, a lawyer representing two of the protesters. “You can see it in the U.S. and Germany, too: Political dissent is silenced by targeting the migration status of protesters.”
I fucking hate the timeline we’re living in
Fucking disgusting.
Fash support fash. Germany has been supporting genocide for a long time.
It’s really amazing how liberals will completely accept genocide up until the very second that it affects them.
It is heart breaking to see Germany begin to give in to fascism again. What happened to “never again!” ???
It was a lie.
And in a decade or so, before you know it, Deutschland will be invading Poland again.
My prediction, built on assuming we’re in the stupidest timeline, is that Germany will try to help the Palestinians…by carving a new homeland for them out of Poland.
Look, if we don’t tolerate at least a little genocide of somebody else, then we’re basically throwing our votes away. /s
Oh really? How? What genocide?
Uh… The one in Gaza?
Hmm.
Fuck germany.
Just yesterday people were cheering up germany government for rearming for war and everyone arguing against it was being downvoted.
“I think re-arming doesn’t do anything but spend money that could be better spent on helping people.”
“Shut up, this is exactly what we need right now!”
“So you don’t care about helping people?”
“That’s a strawman!”
Wow it looks like we were right again, but still downvoted and removed. Odd how that always works.
Germany likes to pretend they’re super liberal and that they have no fascist citizens. They’ve gone completely to the other side of history where they now pretend like they’re above it all. I’m sick of people pretending like Germany is some sort of promised land
I am a German citizen and we do not pretend we don’t have fascist citizens. Why do you think we do?
Because everything we hear in Canada about Germany is lollipop propaganda about how perfect Germany is. You don’t see it from the inside but to the rest of us, the German government spends money to make themselves look like the country everyone should strive to be. You’re part of the machine so it’s no surprise you’re not aware of how others perceive you.
We are literally told that any Nazi or fascist activity is banned and illegal, and not allowed. yet i see plenty of photos of German neo Nazi rallies
Oh interesting. Can you tell me what they are Spending the money on? I know of DW who often pushes german Propaganda but I think in the whole picture of the news media their reach is relatively small compared to other news outlets’ reach.
But I still don’t think we pretend there aren’t any Nazis in Germany. You may have missed it or the news hasn’t reached you ;) but there was a big wave of protests in 2024 against rightwing extremism here Wikipedia no need to read it all but you can scroll down to the list of protests and look at the participant amounts.
B/c USA is brainwashed by the zionism that Germany supports. We’re raised thinking that Germany changed and is now a leader in anti-semitism, etc. It’s brainwashing.
But anybody with a clue, including many Germans, realizes that their zionism is still anti-semitic AF. It’s an attack on non-fascist jews and a literal genocide against palestinians.
Yeah fuck the Israeli government
I hope they can escalate to Strasbourg. Can they?
Germany is way out of line here.
🤔
Nazis being Nazis
“Good” old Nazi thinking never left the German elites, hence their “unwavering support” for a nation committing Genocide very openly because of the race of its people, hence the highly manipulated Press over there spreading and amplifying race-based views and hence their casual bypassing of legal rights to silence those who would demonstrate against such ultra-racism and the support of Genocide based on it.
They might have changed who the ubermenschen and the untermenshen are but they still keep on classifying people into those two categories by race and treating then very differently, as well as using force to silence dissent against such views and practices.
In light of Russia’s aggressiveness, the recent news of Germany militarizing itself sounds like good news, but in light of the increasing regression of Germany back to their old extreme-racist and repressive practices those are very bad news - a Germany which thinks race justifies Genocide and suppresses by force dissent from such way of thinking is bound to sooner or later once again use such military power against those they deem “lesser races”
International law: Conducting and Support of Genocide is Illegal.
U.S./Germany law: Protesting Genocide is Illegal.
The challenge lies in the fact that criticism of Israel is often intertwined with accusations of anti-Semitism. Germany finds itself in a delicate position: on one hand, it has pledged unwavering support to the state of Israel; on the other hand, it must uphold the right to dissent and allow protests against Israeli policies.
It’s not delicate at all.
If you don’t stick to your values when they’re being tested, they’re not values: they’re hobbies.
—Jon Stewart
I don’t understand how the quote applies to the situation described. Germany has a deep responsibility to support Israel because of its history with the Holocaust. However, it also believes in free speech and the right to protest. The challenge is balancing these two—supporting Israel while allowing criticism of its policies without crossing into anti-Semitism.
No, Germany feels a responsibility to help Jews as reparations for the holocaust. Not a blank check to the rightwing Israeli government or giving them a pass when they violate international law. And certainly not violating Germany’s free speech laws by arresting nonviolent protestors condemning a foreign government for their war crimes. There’s no challenge here unless you think every protestor is an anti-Semite.
Here’s the thing: in your view of the world, everything appears simple—everything is either black or white. Protesters are good; cops are bad. Palestine is good; Jews are bad. In reality, the world is far more nuanced.
Not at all what I believe but you’re looking for some kind of excuse to dismiss what I’m saying. I find that it’s always the excuse by Zionists on this sub when an atrocity is pointed out that they support, “it’s complicated,” as if that is a reason to keep up with the injustice. In this case, no it’s not complicated. Germany is violating their free speech laws and undermining their commitment to international law because they are supporting an atrocity. There’s actually easy solutions here with a sensible middle ground, and of course Germany isn’t doing it.
Peace.
Choosing between an incredibly bad lie to commit genocide and not committing genocide must be a hard choice for Germany, knowing their history and regret for their previous genocide
No wait, Germany is supporting genocide again.
“Germany has pledged unwavering support to a genocidal colonial apartheid” really is not the own Germans think it is.
The world is far too nuanced to be categorized as merely good or evil, as you suggest. Following the atrocities of the Holocaust during World War II, Germany has assumed a profound moral and political obligation to safeguard and support the state of Israel, a commitment that remains a cornerstone of its foreign policy.
Yes, Germany has expressed strong support for Israel during the ongoing conflict, primarily through diplomatic efforts and humanitarian aid to Gaza.
Nuance for genocide what is next nuance for Adolf Hitler? “Well he did kill all those Jews but you have to remember he was denied his art education!”
Here is a good rule to live by:
Genocide bad.
Nobody has ever suggested that genocide is a good thing; that is an argument you introduced yourself. Furthermore, you alleged that Germany supports genocide without elaborating on how this claim is substantiated.
Germany Turns to U.S. Playbook: Deportations Target Gaza War Protesters (Literally the post you are in)
No more replies from mr. Bothsidism what happened? I read your vomit and when shit gets serious you don’t reply anymore? We are all waiting your defence for a genocidal ethnostate. Please elaborate.
What is the point of an answer if no one is interested in engaging with it? The thread merely serves as an echo chamber for your opinion. Judging by the responses, meaningful discourse on the topic appears unwelcome.
Germany has a disgusting government.
Israel applying pressure on Germany.
Israel the kings of the world?
Nah if the USA gets blamed (deserved) Germany gets fucking blamed (also deserved as the original fucking Nazis they shouldn’t have been forgiven, either).
Unfortunately in germany, france and uk, there’s a big chunk of people that participate in protests against israel and in the protests in favor of turning the country who took them into a caliphate. Anyway i don’t think this article is true since it’s not being reported anywhere.
It comes from a credible journalist who explicitly names the four victims and quotes their real, existing lawyer who has defended similar cases before.
This is the typical Zionist playbook of spreading lies until we moved on to the next topic, and by the time it turns out to be true everyone already forgot about the issue. Don’t forget that they just did a 20-fold increase to $150m for their Hasbara botfarm. It wouldn’t be surprising if they also showed up here already. Also lots of new accounts here spreading Zionist propaganda.
From the article:
Some, but not all, of the allegations would correspond to criminal charges in Germany; almost none of them have been brought before a criminal court.
They just need to take them to a criminal court and let the judge decide
Yeah, checks notes… Cooper Longbottom, Kasia Wlaszczyk, Shane O’Brien, and Roberta Murray are surely trying to turn Germany into a caliphate…
This is the related incident:
Slogans and the triangle of the Palestinian terrorist organization Hamas were sprayed on the facade of the historic building.
You make your judgement.
triangle of the Palestinian terrorist organization Hamas
Hamas triangle? Do you mean the red triangle on the Palestinian flag, the one that predates hamas by half a century?
What hamas slogans were painted? The picture only shows “free gaza”, “killers” and “complicity”, nothing supporting hamas, unless anything calling for the end of the genocide is supporting hamas.
The picture only shows
room temperature IQ. Blocked.
Are you German?
looks like German libs are doing the Kamala speedrun.
it’s not a coincidence they went after trans immigrants first, they know it’s easy to use us as guinea pigs for setting legal precedent.
The propaganda is getting lazy, this doesn’t even make sense.
Idk, maybe it is just feels-based. If we keep repeating over and over in various ways how bad and anti-Palestinian Kamala Harris was while she was in charge of the country and setting our Gaza policy, people will absorb it by pure groupthink, and won’t notice that the number of people deported or disappeared for being Gaza protestors has gone up infinity percent since the other person won the election and in fact this exact type of issue was a big part of why it was super important for him not to win.
Their argument is liberals capitulating to the right in order to “win over voters” which will never vote for them. Not an exact 1 to 1 comparison.
Kamala did support the brutal crackdown on student protesters. But, she did indeed not deport them. That said, ICE under Biden and Kamala was already heavily in violation of human rights and continuing the Trump 2016 agenda. Deportation of wrongthink is but the next logical step of the ratchet effect.
Yeah it’s “weird” how up in arms liberals were when Trump opened the concentration camps but how quiet they were when Biden neglected to close them so he could use them even more than Trump did
Ah yes, those are some perfectly standard talking points.
I think I will do up a FAQ for the disinformation community or something, it is getting tiring repeatedly typing the same responses. But I do appreciate the extra effort to at least put together something which has some semblance of plausibility instead of just seeing “Gaza” and reaching for the “Kamala Harris” button without bothering to make it make sense or relate in literally any way at all. Big improvement. Good stuff.
Their comparison is to Liberals because “Liberals” are currently running Germany instead of the “far right”. Whatever these terms even mean anymore, seeing they both love Fascism.
If the AfD was in charge the comparison would have been to Trump.
German Liberals also appear to also do their very best to hand an easy win to the far right next election by blaming immigrants and protesters for everything instead of addressing any economic issues. Thus making the entire populace vote more right similar to how Liz Kamaley handed the win to Trump.
Berlin is run by right-wing conservatives, not liberals. The federal government lacks authority for states deciding whom to deport.
The map said Berlin was “left” in the last German elections. Is this not representative?
Those are the results from the 2024 European Parliament Election.
Here are the results of the more relevant 2023 State Parliament Election:
The state government is right-wing conservatives with centrist-at-best “social” democrats. Both are very supportive of police cracking down on people who wouldn’t have voted for them anyways.
Berlin currently has a black-red government. I have no idea what your map there is showing. State elections wouldn’t show a federal map and the last federal elections don’t match, compare e.g. SH’s districts (northernmost state).
Berlin is kinda notorious for being a police state, and of the “IDGAF” nature, not “stickler for law” one.
I appreciate it as well. I don’t like people dismissing the wrong Biden and Kamala have done. However, the people constantly saying it doesn’t matter if you vote for Kamala or Trump because they’re both fascist is wrong and annoying.
IndustryStandard literally didn’t say that.
IndustryStandard criticizing Kamala but mentioning Kamala wouldn’t do all the same things as Trump. I like how they mentioned it was the a stepping stone for Trump’s deportations but I was not referring to that specifically.
Kamala did support the brutal crackdown on student protesters. But, she did indeed not deport them. That said, ICE under Biden and Kamala was already heavily in violation of human rights and continuing the Trump 2016 agenda. Deportation of wrongthink is but the next logical step of the ratchet effect.
PhilipTheBucket liking that that IndustryStandard’s post was nuanced and not as simple as “Kamala bad”.
I think I will do up a FAQ for the disinformation community or something, it is getting tiring repeatedly typing the same responses. But I do appreciate the extra effort to at least put together something which has some semblance of plausibility instead of just seeing “Gaza” and reaching for the “Kamala Harris” button without bothering to make it make sense or relate in literally any way at all. Big improvement. Good stuff.
I was trying to say I liked the nuanced discussion, and was expanding on it with my own experiences.
PhilipTheBucket liking that that IndustryStandard’s post was nuanced and not as simple as “Kamala bad”.
Uh… I’m pretty sure you misunderstood that. PhilipTheBucket was speaking ironically; they were saying that IndustryStandard’s response is still disinformation, just higher quality disinformation that’s meant to look vaguely plausible. This is not a nuanced discussion; it’s PhilipTheBucket dismissing IndustryStandard’s response as disinformation and propaganda meant to make America’s Great Saviors look bad.
I’m pretty sure Kamala, being a private citizen and not the president, has nothing to do with the deportations taking place in America right now.
I’d check who the current president is and assign blame to him.sure, if you wanna do a dog-shit ahistorical analysis of what lead to this, you could place the blame entirely on Trump.
do you seriously expect us to ignore the direct parallel between the Democrats adopting fascist rhetoric and deportations and the social Democrats in Germany adopting AfD propaganda in their program?
you either didn’t pay attention when she threw us under the bus to win the fascist electorate or You actively cheered her on as she was doing it. same for her being a rabid Zionist.
Agreed. The Democrats started this Mcarthyist witchhunt about Hamas supporting students and anti Zionism is anti semitism baloney. Thanks to them the Republicans were gifted with a ready made clampdown on civil rights.
Pretty sure most of those university board members are conservative
Also, seems like you haven’t heard of Rufo and similar Republican propagandists
nah you right
Are you okay?
As a trans person in this timeline obviously they’re not okay, are you doing anything to make the situation better for them in any possible way? If not better lose the snarkiness
Ah sorry, I didn’t realize being trans gives you a free pass for spreading political propaganda but I know better now.
Actually I think it’s kind of patronizing to say that trans people just can’t help themselves from posting shit like that because of their circumstances.
Trans people probably can’t help themselves from responding to Democrat apologia when most of the things Trump is doing were first legitimized by Democrats either in speech or action.
Okay buddy, American far left accelerationists working hand in hand with the alt right to dismantle democracy will never not be funny from an outside perspective.
You’re beginning to see the regime you brought on but instead of owning up to it, you blame it on milquetoast technocrats like Kamala Harris lmao.
Except that they’re making perfect sense and you’re simply calling it political propaganda because it doesn’t fit into your world view. There’s nothing to patronize because it’s a perfectly sane take, you’re the one trying to gaslight us here.
Alright buddy, good luck in life!
checks who the current president is
How could the democrats let this happen?!?
Who helped the recent spending bill pass again?
Are deportations part of the spending bill or are you moving the goal post?
Fine you want deportation specific? Democrats rubber stamped the Laken Riley act, fuck you.
My point was Democrats are literally working lockstep with Republicans and you’re too much a blue MAGAt to care.
I love your passion, but I’m just a dude thousands of miles away, eating popcorn and laughing in your general direction.
The Kamala speedrun? Did she deport thousands of people to El Salvador?
she’s adopted a violent transphobic, anti-Palestinian campaign to win over MAGA voters. that’s what the SPD is doing to Arabs, Muslims and immigrants by courting the AfD.
