• Firestorm Druid@lemmy.zip
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    21 days ago

    Forceful impregnation, constant pregnancy, kicked and beaten calves and their mothers, separation of calves from the mother and their killing. Shall I go on?

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      21 days ago

      artificial insemination isn’t torture. cows aren’t kept constantly pregnant. kicking and beating cows isn’t part of husbandry. killing cows at the end of their useful life is fine.

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        21 days ago

        artificial insemination isn’t torture.

        Doing so to a creature who can’t consent is pretty wack though.

        cows aren’t kept constantly pregnant

        Female mammals, including cows, produce milk as a result of pregnancy in order to feed their young. The dairy industry is for-profit, they’re not going to let their dairy cows have downtime from producing milk if there’s money to be made.

        kicking and beating cows isn’t part of husbandry.

        The meat and dairy industries have lobbied hard for ag-gag laws criminalizing photography on their farms after abuses have been discovered by undercover investigators and activists. It is undoubtedly a part of animal agriculture. Here’s a whole paper about it, if it interests you.

        killing cows at the end of their useful life is fine.

        It definitely isn’t the worse part of the miserable lives we make them live after breeding them in massive numbers. It’s probably a relief at that point.

        Also, just a sidenote here, I scrolled a bit through your history and you seem to go on the defensive for meat and dairy whenever you come across anything relating to veganism or the negative impacts of those industries. You engage with vegan content much more than I do and I’m vegan! I don’t think I can change your mind about veganism, nor do I really feel the desire to write any more than I already have. But, I don’t know, maybe go comment on stuff you enjoy rather than getting riled up about this stuff? It might make for a more enjoyable experience on lemmy.

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          21 days ago

          go comment on stuff you enjoy rather than getting riled up about this stuff

          I don’t tell you what to do. kindly return the courtesy.

          further, I’m not riled up but your screed indicates you might be.

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          20 days ago

          Thanks for writing this up. I just knew they would get all defensive so I didn’t even want to bother replying, but I’m very happy about other people chiming in. vegoon btw ❤️

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          21 days ago

          Female mammals, including cows, produce milk as a result of pregnancy in order to feed their young.

          they don’t have any volition in the matter. they produce milk. period. but they’re not constantly pregnant.

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            20 days ago

            According to google, they need to birth one calf a year after a 9 month pregnancy, so they are pregnant 3/4 of their adult life, that sounds close enough to constant. Also, did you need to make 5 different comments?

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          21 days ago

          Doing so to a creature who can’t consent is pretty wack though

          it’s a veterinary procedure

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          21 days ago

          you seem to go on the defensive for meat and dairy

          your characterization is irrelevant to the truth of what I’ve said.

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          21 days ago

          The meat and dairy industries have lobbied hard for ag-gag laws criminalizing photography on their farms after abuses have been discovered by undercover investigators and activists.

          and that’s bad

          but it’s still not necessary to kick cattle for milk