He also said “ICE officials have told us that an apparent biometric match by Mobile Fortify is a ‘definitive’ determination of a person’s status and that an ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien. ICE using a mobile biometrics app in ways its developers at CBP never intended or tested is a frightening, repugnant, and unconstitutional attack on Americans’ rights and freedoms.”
Funny, this is what my republican parents were always afraid of
Afraid of, or confessing a desire to inflict upon others?
They are so mentally gone and isolated I truly dont think they believe anything weird is going on, besides from they’re usual distrust of the government and being happy “the dangerous criminals” are in prison.
“if we want to do it the other side surely wants to do it to us!” Lol
“ICE officials have told us that an apparent biometric match by Mobile Fortify is a ‘definitive’ determination of a person’s status and that an ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien. ICE using a mobile biometrics app in ways its developers at CBP never intended or tested is a frightening, repugnant, and unconstitutional attack on Americans’ rights and freedoms.”
Now they have a way to effectively revoke someone’s citizenship. All they have to do is change your status in the app to “noncitizen.” No need to go through the court. Just have some code that lets them flag citizens as noncitizens. They want you gone? Just flag your identity in the app as a foreign national. The agents in the field then scan your face and it reports you as an illegal immigrant. You object and show them all your legal documents, but they’ve been told the app is infallible. You’re taken to detention, and the guards there simply scan your face and report you as an illegal every time you protest. “The app is infallible” they repeat. Before you have a chance to challenge it in court, you’ve rotting in a prison camp in rural Liberia.
And now all ring devices will automatically scan faces for them. https://techcrunch.com/2025/10/16/amazons-ring-to-partner-with-flock-a-network-of-ai-cameras-used-by-ice-feds-and-police/
We should start to pull their masks off. Seriously. Get a crowd a people big enough to protect the ones pulling them off.
No law enforcement should be masked.
I’d be afraid to do it because they’d kill me. What do you propose
They would at the very least arrest you and charge you with assault on a law enforcement officer, a felony.
Unless you run really fast, then you get a free punisher facemask
And some acute lead poisoning in the back
it sounds like pulling masks off ICE isn’t a realistic option
I would never say that it was
lol gotta wear facial prosthetics now
Interesting how it is the cowards hiding behind their masks scanning peoples’ faces.
And the same ones who refused to wear face masks during Covid.
they are would be vulnerable to the same AI face scan as thier VICTIMS, people would have to be bold to pull down thier masks and let cameras record them.
What would it take to scan/image through cloth masks?
Nothing, it’s not magic. Anyone telling you otherwise is either a lying huckster or a colossal dumbass.
You joke but the answer is actually a OnePlus 8 Pro.
Hmm, seems like it’s just missing the low IR cutoff filter, so you could mod any dSLR to do the same. I can’t tell if it sees through masks well enough for facial recognition though.
It does not.
Facial recognition probably relies on visible wavelengths, but you could probably train a neural network to plausibly convert an IR image to visible if paired with a visible light image of the unmasked portion. While generated images on their own aren’t useful for recognition, I think an IR image would probably give enough information to make the generation useful.
All face recognition is unreliable though, so no one, especially not a government agency, should use it as a single point of proof about the actual identity of the photographed person.
TSA and Customs both scan your face instead of your ID/ passport now for adults. It seems like the government has confidence in it?
They know who you claim to be and are checking whether your face matches that passport photo. They’re not just letting anyone in who looks like one of the 330M Americans.
Unlikely, without special enhancement. Those materials are not IR-transparent.
@[email protected] care to explain what’s inaccurate about this statement?
Firstly, you should say please when you’re asking for something.
The claim was made as if they know exactly the materials the thugs’ gaiters are made of. Unless they are an insider of that group, it’s way too presumptuous.
Common natural or synthetic fabrics aren’t as effective at blocking modern facial recognition as anyone might assume.
Here’s a couple examples of someone putting in a bit of effort to actually test both common and purpose-built products against facial recognition.
How much can make up fool biometrics? Like can I use dollar store make up to change my face?
Some. The easier way is failing face detection
this is why ICE covering up thier faces, they are at risk of being identified by AI recognition as well.
This reeks of bullshit by ICE, they can’t verify citizenship from a face, because AFAIK there is no database of citizenship faces.
It is way more likely to be run against for instance criminal arrest photo databases.
There may be other segments they can take from like military and DMV, but they can’t say that because they don’t have a photo match that people aren’t citizens.
It can only in a very limited percentage of cases confirm citizenship, and most of those will be people who have papers like a drivers license on them already.This is probably part of the ongoing scare campaign, and serves very little practical purpose.
Dude it doesn’t matter if it’s legitimate or not, it will just be used as a cudgel against “undesirables” including political opponents.
The “facial recognition” might just do this:
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What about the face scans through TSA and customs? I assumed those were going into every 3 letter agencies databases.
It’s very likely that they’re using a facial recognition database made up of photos from immigration. People on visas, people who’ve been previously deported, etc.
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100% This. This is entirely bullshit. This is likely illegal.
You can’t do a fascism!! That’s illegal!
TSA has been scanning people’s faces at security checkpoints for several years now. I’ve been opting out every time because I figured building a facial recognition database was the end goal.
they can’t say that because they don’t have a photo match that people aren’t citizens.
Sure, sure, until they start doing it and no one stops them.
Opting out how? They have automatically-assembled video footage of you from the moment you stepped out of the vehicle you took to the airport up until the moment you walked off the jetway onto your flight.
Oh, that’s true, but I’m talking about the direct face scan they do at the security line, which you have the right to opt out of.
There’s still a big difference between security camera shots at a distance with random lighting and a specifically designed face scanning camera pointed directly at your face from two feet away with good lighting.
I wish I shared your optimism, but I’ve seen what cameras are capable of seeing from literal miles away, if enough money is spent. I guess it comes down to weather or not any of the uncountable trillions of dollars the pentagon won’t let you audit have been spent on cameras specifically meant to surreptitiously capture your face from across the room when you “opt out”.
Oh I didn’t think of airports. Thanks for pointing that out.
until they start doing it and no one stops them.
They’ll do whatever the fuck they want, nobody is really stopping them.
Yes there are attempts and local heroes that do, but from an official side very little is being done.
And any official that complains about it, immediately becomes a target for the administration.
This fear campaign is far from only against immigrants, it is also to pacify Americans.DMV, court house, tax offices, post offices, Ring…
Apart from DMV that I already mentioned, they don’t have pictures of your face.
Get some AI to cross reference real name social media like Facebook with genealogy apps like Ancestry and you could make a citizenship facial scan app. There would be a lot of false positives, but as long as it’s non-white people, this administration doesn’t care.
Don’t know how legal it is for govt usage, but people have been uploading photos to Meta for more than a decade at this point, directly associating their image with their identity.
YouTube, Twitter, Insta…
Even if there was, facial recognition isn’t that good. A photo taken with a phone is just going to give you some level of confidence.
Its just an excuse, especially cause we know most facial recognition systems are racist to begin with.
All the national intelligence agencies have a database with an entry for every person they can gain any information about. So yeah, a photo and citizenship status are in a govt database for sure.
Doesn’t the NSA have exabytes (at a minimum) of data scrapped from the internet?
So?
So we’re not all that removed from a database of citizens and their faces. The work of actually collecting that information is already done, it’s just a matter of organizing it. And there are already private contractors who specialize in just that kind of data organization.
Snowden already showed us the database exists over a decade ago.
how is everyone forgetting face scanning phone unlocks?
taking your AI face scan for meta logins, and other various websites services.
people need to start, on the street, trying to collect DNA off of ICE/CBP and storing it for future use
Collect their blood
or just steal their masks
Jesus christ this is scary.
maybe wear a nasal strip to change the shape of the nose
Stop-and-frisk/Terry Stops are apparently legal in Illinois, and in most states, if an officer has reasonable suspicion which (as not-a-lawyer) I think taking the picture to run facial recognition counts as a frisk. The current temporary ruling is that existing with brown skin is a reasonable suspicion of illegal immigration crime to this Supreme Court.
So, really, all you can do is give your real name, ask for a lawyer and ask if you are being detained or if you may leave the area. If you’re let go, calmly notify others in person and online of ICE activity. If you’re being arrested, get others’ attention by raising your voice letting people know to get their badge and plate numbers.
Did Nazi Germany actually make a law that made being Jewish illegal? Or did they just do all the persecution without a legal basis?
Seems to me that ICE is moving further and further away from an actual legal basis for their activities, ignoring civil rights based on very questionable argument that the suspects are not citizens, although obviously many of the people they confront are.Also even if they aren’t citizens doesn’t mean they don’t have rights, except in a fascist country that ignores human rights.
But the idea that only citizens have rights, is a huge argument for staying far away from USA as for instance a tourist and for business travel too.Did Nazi Germany actually make a law that made being Jewish illegal? Or did they just do all the persecution without a legal basis?
So the Nazis actually changed the laws! Trump seems to be skipping that step, but instead make USA a lawless country on top of being fascist.
I missed the part in the fourth amendment that mentions citizens.
I don’t think the legality of the sitiation matters. If the app makes a mistake, you could end up in a cell or on a flight with none of your comms for help. And that’s if you have anyone who can help. If I were a US citizen, I’d wear a mask on me, put it on and move in the opposite direction of any law enforcement I encounter.
When the regime falls, ICE agents are going to learn how easily they are identified, and brought to justice.
As it turns out, assaulting citizens and trampling their basic human rights, makes them get very, very good at crowd sourcing and building databases of ICE agent information.
They’re collecting a paycheck, it should be easy to prosecute the ones who break the law.
They literally aren’t getting paid. That’s how shitty and racist they are. They’re willing to ruin their lives for free, on the odd chance they get to zip tie little girls.
Presumably, the right people are compiling that data now, to get ahead of the inevitable frantic attempt to scrub the records.
Is this the real reason the RWA chuds were taught to hate masks? So they could make them illegal as soon as possible?
