Sure you have, it was called Trump’s first term.
are the farmers in dire straits, or are independent farmers in dire straights?
i make the distinction because of the purpose is to make the rich, richer, then this is a feature, not a bug for republicans
Yeah it’s just the independent farmers. Here in Arkansas they’re either losing their farms or straight up killing themselves, at a brisk pace too.
Happens here too. And who scoops up the land when it gets liquidated? JD goddamn Vance and his vultures.
All part of the plan :(
A really good piece on the realities of this topic is here: https://youtu.be/badGHJLDpP8
TL;DW: Farmers thought they were voting for cheap labor and a bailout, like they got last time. They also thought that, as wealthy landowners1, they were on the “right side” of these disastrous trade policies and were going to be carried through this mess.
1. I struggled with this concept at first. Things have changed a lot since the pre-WWII era that conjures up images of Ma & Pa Kent in a weathered century-home, on a lonely corn farm in Kansas. It’s big business now. Good farm land isn’t cheap, equipment is expensive, (legitimate) labor is expensive, fertilizer & irrigation costs a lot, pest control costs, crops are risky in general, and so on. When you work out how much money is moving around and what a farm’s net worth is, these people are millionaires even if they’re not in the black all the time.
What’s really funny to people outside of the US is that cheap labour and a bailout is exactly what they would hve received from Harris.
Agreed. Considering that the alternative to that is always higher food prices, it’s political suicide to not do this.
Oh noes! Reich Wingers getting exactly what they demanded, and feeling the consequences of it!
We’re well on our way towards famine.
Well, you folks are just speed running the apocalypse, aren’t you.
Pestilence, War and now potentially Famine.
I think it’s more of the old republic Roman issue, the small farmers are being eaten up by giant corporate mega farms. Food production will continue but as a monopoly, where they can charge you $100 for a head of lettuce if they feel like it.
No, you’re not. The average US consumer, even those who are desperately poor, still has significantly more buying power than the vast majority of the planet. A collapse in American agriculture will just mean a vast upswing in food imports, because for most of the world it will always be more profitable to sell that food to a US grocery chain than it will be to sell it locally. This will increase costs for US consumers, and push more Americans into poverty, but it won’t cause a famine in the USA.
What you are well on your way towards is causing famines across vast portions of the world that aren’t you. Famines that Americans will barely even notice, much less care about.
Yeah poor people can just make more money to buy the more expensive food, it’s genius
Show me in my previous comment where I said that.
My point was not “Americans will be OK.” I explicitly said that a collapse of American agriculture would push many more Americans into poverty.
But poverty is not famine. As awful as poverty is, famine is actually, somehow, worse. Poverty kills people, and in the scenario imagined it would kill many more people, but the absolute worst impacts would still be felt in places much further afield. America’s failure would create destructive ripple effects across the world.
IDK, there are already a lot of people hanging on by a thread in the US. A collapse in domestic production that leads to higher prices will push more people under the “secure” line. I think it’ll also cause food shortages worldwide but I think you’re overestimating how many Americans will be insulated.
Yes, I believe I covered that when I said “and push more Americans into poverty”.
I’m not ignoring the plight of those people for whom starvation would be a very real threat in this scenario. But that’s not the same thing as famine, and thinking that it is reflects a uniquely American level of isolation from the realities of the world. Poverty is terrifying - I’ve experienced it myself - but it is an entirely different order of magnitude from famine.
I know people who’ve experienced famine. I know people who’ve told me stories about taking a shit, and then immediately scooping it up and eating it just to sate the desparate, unbearable need to have some kind of food in their stomach. That’s the level of insanity famine drives you to. It’s a scale of hunger you and I can’t even comprehend.
Nowhere in my previous comment did I say “It will be OK if American agriculture collapses.” It would be awful. Many people would die, many more would suffer. But the absolute worst of that suffering wouldn’t happen in the US, it would happen in other parts of the world that most Americans can’t even name.
But at least the leopards are still well-fed
This was all a calculated strategy to make independent farmers go bankrupt and into foreclosure, so that the big agritech companies could snag prime agricultural land for pennies on the dollar.
At some point, most food will be grown by corporations that can set whatever price they want for that food, and people will have to pay that price or starve to death. It’s the definition of “captured audience” that makes the Parasite Class extract so much wealth from the working class and become so fantastically wealthy.
I sincerely doubt it was calculated. This regime can’t think past its next Big Mac. The toddler in chief is far too reactionary to actually have a strategy beyond tomorrow’s unconstitutional removal of a public figure speaking out against republicans. It is highly convenient and will be taken advantage of by Big Ag to the fullest - and expect there to be clear favorites among Agribusiness just like when the media bent a knee to Trump and showered him with money.
Has this not already happened? The mythos of the independent farmer has existed since the great depression. I’m not convinced independent farmers actually exist anymore. Farmers are serfs who buy their seeds and their herbicides/fertilizers from Monsanto, and their tractors from John Deere. They lease the land from generational trusts and wall-street speculators.
Why would a corporation want to assume the risk of actually producing anything?It’s been happening steadily for a while, Trump just opened up a lot of avenues to accelerate it. There are still a lot of small and medium family farms that own their land and equipment.
Durrrrrr I’m gonna crack down on immigrant farm labor while I add lots of tariffs to foreign food durrrrrrrrrr
Fuckers trying to make America North Korea again
You got exactly what you voted for you jackasses.
Go protest, cause I’d love the farmers to be antifa.
They might already even have the pitchforks
Insert Nelson meme, “haha!”"
Well, at least they don’t have to worry about “liberals” inflicting horrible thoughts on them via Colbert or Kimmel.
Are they tired of all the winning yet?
According to the bots in r/Conservative, they are not.
Because conservative ideology requires an other to rally hate against so the base and core voters don’t realize its the elites and party leaders adding suffering to common folk lives for the elites short term benefit.
Wisdom is chasing them, but they are faster.
I guess they have very short memories
Despite his troubles, Maxwell remains supportive of Trump, saying that he is “going to be patient,” adding, “I believe in our president.”
However, there is a limit to Maxwell’s patience with Trump. “We’re giving him the chance to follow through with the tariffs, but there had better be results,” he said. “I think we need to be seeing something in 18 months or less. We understand risk—and it had better pay off.”
They’re giving him 18 MONTHS?? For fuck sake, these people Do. Not. Learn.
They didn’t learn in his first term. No way they’ll learn anything here either. These people are completely fucking stupid and never voted for him based on any kind of intelligence.
He’s not trying to learn anything, he just wanted an excuse to kick the can down the road 18 months.
It’s only 24 months. I bet it won’t even take the whole 36 months. Just a quick and easy definitely less than 48 months.
“He needs a third term…”
They didn’t recover a large part of their soy bean market during Biden’s administration where China picked back up some of the ag products and now they lost all of the market. They’re idiots if they think that this will recover any of their markets at any significant part this time around.
Once China develops a buying source they aren’t likely to ever return. Why would they?
What do they even see as a positive outcome of the tariff shenanigans?
That more Americas will… uhh… buy tofu, I guess?? Enough to make up for the entire Asia markets?
Hopefully they are thinking of the midterms…if we have elections and the GOP gets whiplashed we just might be able to stop the worst of Trump. Imagine we get say 51 democrats in the sesnate along with a majority in the house that’s healthly.
How much does Congress actually matter when we are already in a de facto dictatorship?
I seriously doubt any election at this point will be free and fair.
“So much of what has happened and what’s going on here is totally out of our control,” Meadows said. “We just want a free, fair, and open market where we can sell our goods… as competitively as anybody else around the world. And we do feel that we produce a superior product here in the United States, and we just need to have the markets.”
The Republican small government, everyone
Why do I feel like these same people would say Biden’s economy was worse for them?
“The weather is in the control of a higher power,” he added, “and the economy and the markets are in control of Washington, DC.”
Yep! Nothing at all that could have been done about either of these situations. Just two natural disasters sent by god themself. What a shame.
“Oh geez it’s not our fault, nothing could be done” they say as they overwhelming voted for Trump and said his policies would be better for them.
They learned nothing from his first term where he screwed them over by targeting immigrants and he just dialed that part up and added more.
Absolute morons.
Yeah but imagine voting for a black woman. The dem candidate could have promised them wild subsidies the likes the they never dreamed, but if it was “sleepy joe” or any other minority they disliked they still would have chosen Trump
And we do feel that we produce a superior product here in the United States, and we just need to have the markets.
lol. lmao even.
Facts don’t care about your feelings bitch!
When I see why the EU has serious issues with American agricultural products, I seriously doubt that superiority.
Is there any american agricultural product that’s at least a whole step above dirt?
It was in their control. They gave it up by voting against their own interests despite being told loudly
I got you.
Where not even two years before:
Of course this is fine for them.
