How does a trans-woman’s socialization compromise competitive integrity? That’s an entirely internal problem, and it doesn’t affect any other competitors. This is really just grabbing for any excuse to be transphobic.
No, it isn’t. It’s so women can enter the game without the pressure of going into a tournament setting mostly dominated by men. A trans-woman being in the women’s tournament does not compromise that unless you don’t think trans-woman are women. Being born male does not impact one’s ability to compete in chess, just the accessibility of a competition dominated men. If you’re already in the women’s space, then that issue is entirely moot. A trans-woman faces the same social barrier to competing, and is entitled to the same protected space.
The only argument against that is if you don’t really think trans-woman are women.
I don’t agree that that is the motivation. You’re confusing cause and effect. The competition space is dominated by men because of social and cultural norms, which is why they made a women’s division. It’s not so there’s “less pressure”, it’s so the entire top level of the competition isn’t entirely men and there’s actually a meaningful competition for both groups.
How does anything you just said preclude trans-women in the women’s division? Again, they have the same social and cultural barriers, and are entitled to the same space. The only reason to disagree, is if you don’t believe they’re women. If that’s the case, say it with your chest.
Are tomboys allowed to play chess?
Do I have to wear a skirt and be straight?
My psychologist told me I was socialized as a girl, but does that make me eligible to play chess?
I have normal thoughts and reactions for a woman and men intimidate me more than you will ever know. Can I please play now?
Ugh, you know what, this women’s league stuff is a another example of men making up rules for me again. Count me out.
I hypothetically agree, but note that you’re basically arguing for trans women to compete with men. Just in this scenario bio women also have to. And classically this results in men dominating and women being discouraged from even joining due to factors discussed above.
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How does a trans-woman’s socialization compromise competitive integrity? That’s an entirely internal problem, and it doesn’t affect any other competitors. This is really just grabbing for any excuse to be transphobic.
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No, it isn’t. It’s so women can enter the game without the pressure of going into a tournament setting mostly dominated by men. A trans-woman being in the women’s tournament does not compromise that unless you don’t think trans-woman are women. Being born male does not impact one’s ability to compete in chess, just the accessibility of a competition dominated men. If you’re already in the women’s space, then that issue is entirely moot. A trans-woman faces the same social barrier to competing, and is entitled to the same protected space.
The only argument against that is if you don’t really think trans-woman are women.
I don’t agree that that is the motivation. You’re confusing cause and effect. The competition space is dominated by men because of social and cultural norms, which is why they made a women’s division. It’s not so there’s “less pressure”, it’s so the entire top level of the competition isn’t entirely men and there’s actually a meaningful competition for both groups.
How does anything you just said preclude trans-women in the women’s division? Again, they have the same social and cultural barriers, and are entitled to the same space. The only reason to disagree, is if you don’t believe they’re women. If that’s the case, say it with your chest.
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I’m glad you’ve decided the social experience of every trans-woman for her. That makes sense.
Are tomboys allowed to play chess? Do I have to wear a skirt and be straight? My psychologist told me I was socialized as a girl, but does that make me eligible to play chess? I have normal thoughts and reactions for a woman and men intimidate me more than you will ever know. Can I please play now? Ugh, you know what, this women’s league stuff is a another example of men making up rules for me again. Count me out.
How does anyone know what socialization I had? Also, why does it even matter? This just feels like grasping for straws.
also feels like grasping at straw men
I hypothetically agree, but note that you’re basically arguing for trans women to compete with men. Just in this scenario bio women also have to. And classically this results in men dominating and women being discouraged from even joining due to factors discussed above.