The arrest comes days after police handcuffed U.S. Sen. Alex Padilla after he was forcibly removed from a press conference held by DHS Secretary Kristi Noem.
So what? It’s all performative at the moment precisely because the citizenry are not armed. His actions are clearly illegal even without a citizen having been shot yet. It needs to stay that way or you really will have a civil war on your hands. Is that really what you want?
It’s “so American” to want to be armed in self defense against fascists
Peaceful protests are “performative”
Violent protests will be used as justification for further acts of despotism
The only solution is to trust the guard and/or the police to do the right thing
On its own I’d cede the first point, because Americans do have a profound gun problem. As to the third, it answers the second and the fourth - the police and their imitators are avowed fascists who will make the protests violent any way they can.
It is insufficient to hope that the guard will stand with the states, when the courts and the pentagon gang up on them they’ll certainly cave. Now that dear leader is in charge, you’ll hear nothing about “states rights” except when it involves taking away citizens’ rights.
They are being shot at. Injuries requiring hospitalization with a chance for permanent disability isn’t “performative.” I can hope but can not trust enough people remain in the police and national guard who are willing to prevent escalation.
As to civil war, I lived in a place where multiple people were hopeful for civil war to start and another place where my high school teacher joked on Facebook about open season on liberals and needing bodybags. I feel a need to prepare for the scum around me, since several are already impersonating ICE officers or killing people.
Normal stable countries don’t have states that float the idea of stopping funding to the federal government, consider suspending habeas corpus to make arresting people easier, and deport non-whites en masse to concentration camps.
Sticking your head in the sand and complying in advance doesn’t work because it assumes governments have a conscience that will learn from mistakes and guilt. It even considers this is a mistake. This is entirely on purpose.
This is illustrative of your whole problem over there though - the solution to crap government is better government, not regression to fuedalism. Peaceful protest is not “sticking your head in the sand” - it’s putting yourself in real danger given what Trump and the federal military are currently doing. But everyone standing across the line with a gun in their hand is a human being. The moment you arm the mob, the military has a mandate to engage and they will be far less sympathetic to the plight of the citizenry. Armed resistance, or any kind of violent resistance whatsoever, should be the absolute last resort.
Armed resistance, or any kind of violent resistance whatsoever, should be the absolute last resort.
I don’t think anyone here is arguing against this, we’re just saying it’s time to be prepared for if that time comes because we won’t be given advanced notice.
We have a government controlled by people dedicated to consolidating their power and ensuring they won’t be opposed. Unidentifiable armed thugs are grabbing people off the street and shipping them to torture camps.
I sincerely hope this can be resolved peacefully, but the reality of the situation is we have to be prepared for if it can’t be.
Obviously don’t fire the first shot; but if they do, it needs to be met with a shot back.
Relying on their sympathy, and the hope to replace them with a better government without using force, are absolute folly. They’re fascists; making those things not forthcoming is like their whole schtick. Small arms won’t defeat them in battle, but guns can make occupation almost infinitely more costly for fascists to maintain compared to willful docility
Are you really saying US citizens matyring themselves by provoking armed crackdowns by the military is more reliable than peaceful protest? Because that’s what it sounds like you’re saying.
There is no “battle” right now. There is no civil war yet. What you’re saying is the kind of behavior that will start it.
What you’re saying is the kind of behavior that results in Nazi Germany and extermination camps. At this point I can only assume you’re trying to goad non-fascists into bannable speech
So what? It’s all performative at the moment precisely because the citizenry are not armed. His actions are clearly illegal even without a citizen having been shot yet. It needs to stay that way or you really will have a civil war on your hands. Is that really what you want?
In this thread, we’ve heard from you that,
On its own I’d cede the first point, because Americans do have a profound gun problem. As to the third, it answers the second and the fourth - the police and their imitators are avowed fascists who will make the protests violent any way they can.
It is insufficient to hope that the guard will stand with the states, when the courts and the pentagon gang up on them they’ll certainly cave. Now that dear leader is in charge, you’ll hear nothing about “states rights” except when it involves taking away citizens’ rights.
They are being shot at. Injuries requiring hospitalization with a chance for permanent disability isn’t “performative.” I can hope but can not trust enough people remain in the police and national guard who are willing to prevent escalation.
Source 1 of many: https://abc7.com/post/protester-marshall-woodruff-shot-eye-rubber-bullet-during-no-kings-day-rally-downtown-los-angeles-saturday/16768659/
As to civil war, I lived in a place where multiple people were hopeful for civil war to start and another place where my high school teacher joked on Facebook about open season on liberals and needing bodybags. I feel a need to prepare for the scum around me, since several are already impersonating ICE officers or killing people.
It’s not what we want, it’s whats happening.
Normal stable countries don’t have states that float the idea of stopping funding to the federal government, consider suspending habeas corpus to make arresting people easier, and deport non-whites en masse to concentration camps.
Sticking your head in the sand and complying in advance doesn’t work because it assumes governments have a conscience that will learn from mistakes and guilt. It even considers this is a mistake. This is entirely on purpose.
This is illustrative of your whole problem over there though - the solution to crap government is better government, not regression to fuedalism. Peaceful protest is not “sticking your head in the sand” - it’s putting yourself in real danger given what Trump and the federal military are currently doing. But everyone standing across the line with a gun in their hand is a human being. The moment you arm the mob, the military has a mandate to engage and they will be far less sympathetic to the plight of the citizenry. Armed resistance, or any kind of violent resistance whatsoever, should be the absolute last resort.
I don’t think anyone here is arguing against this, we’re just saying it’s time to be prepared for if that time comes because we won’t be given advanced notice.
We have a government controlled by people dedicated to consolidating their power and ensuring they won’t be opposed. Unidentifiable armed thugs are grabbing people off the street and shipping them to torture camps.
I sincerely hope this can be resolved peacefully, but the reality of the situation is we have to be prepared for if it can’t be.
Obviously don’t fire the first shot; but if they do, it needs to be met with a shot back.
By whom and in what context?
Relying on their sympathy, and the hope to replace them with a better government without using force, are absolute folly. They’re fascists; making those things not forthcoming is like their whole schtick. Small arms won’t defeat them in battle, but guns can make occupation almost infinitely more costly for fascists to maintain compared to willful docility
Are you really saying US citizens matyring themselves by provoking armed crackdowns by the military is more reliable than peaceful protest? Because that’s what it sounds like you’re saying.
There is no “battle” right now. There is no civil war yet. What you’re saying is the kind of behavior that will start it.
What you’re saying is the kind of behavior that results in Nazi Germany and extermination camps. At this point I can only assume you’re trying to goad non-fascists into bannable speech